Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense" - Part 1

[Wild Cobra]

it aint easy being a black in Amerikkka. we're seen as a threat while maniac caucasian mass murderers get to walk around without any batting an eye.

Well, by reading some of the insane posts by people here, I can understand why people are so afraid of blacks now.

Really...

Do you think it's just a black thing? If I were to take every situation I have some heartache over and used the excuse "it's because I'm white," I could come up with as many pathetic excuses as black people do.

It's not the color of a persons skin that make people afraid of another. It's how they carry themselves. Their character. Martin Luther King's dream has become real. Too bad too many people don't understand that it's character that matters.

[Wild Cobra]

looking back on it now as an adult its plain to see OJ did that shit and the only way he got off is because of his celebrity status. the civil trial is the courts way of saying "we know this motherfucker is guilty but we can't prove it, here goes some money for your troubles"

No.

OJ probably was innocent. Too much of the evidence was tampered with to make a case. Someone tried to frame him. If he really was guilty, they fucked up in trying to make the case better.

[boutons_deux]

Murderer Z fits the profile of other stand your ground shooters

Stand Your Ground law used often by those with previous arrests

A Tampa Bay Times analysis of “stand your ground” cases found that it has been people like Moorer — those with records of crime and violence — who have benefited the most from the controversial legislation. A review of arrest records for those involved in more than 100 fatal “stand your ground” cases shows:

•  Nearly 60 percent of those who claimed self-defense had been arrested at least once before the day they killed someone.

 More than 30 of those defendants, about 1 in 3, had been accused of violent crimes, including assault, battery or robbery. Dozens had drug offenses on their records.

•  Killers have invoked “stand your ground” even after repeated run-ins with the law. Forty percent had three arrests or more. Dozens had at least four arrests.

• More than a third of the defendants had previously been in trouble for threatening someone with a gun or illegally carrying a weapon.

•  In dozens of cases, both the defendant and the victim had criminal records, sometimes related to long-running feuds or criminal enterprises. Of the victims that could be identified in state records, 64 percent had at least one arrest. Several had 20 or more arrests.

http://m.miamiherald.com/mh/db_42928...l=true#display

[boutons_deux]

The NRA is total fraud, just like the entire financcial sector and BigPharma.

It's All About The Benjamins (flowing from guns/ammo mfrs to NRA).

NRA is nothing but guns industry lobbying shop. Has NOTHING to do with 2nd amendment.

And there's no doubt 6000 US gun dealers along the MX border are there because that's where the hunters are.


5 Issues That Divide Gun Owners and the NRA Leadership


Wayne LaPierre, the Executive Vice President of the National Rifle Association (NRA), is a con man. He has spent decades enriching himself, his fellow NRA executives and the organization’s board members by doing what he does best: shamelessly mainstreaming conspiracy theories that lead an increasingly paranoid subset of Americans (the percent of households owing guns has declined dramatically over the past generation) to arm themselves to the teeth, while ensuring any laws that might prevent the horrifying tragedy that occurred in Aurora, Colorado Friday morning are unable to make it through Congress.

LaPierre talks of guns confiscation being just around the corner, when he knows no such thing would ever happen in the United States. The irredeemably violent make good customers too, don't you know? So whether the NRA is working to restore gun rights to violent felons, protect the ability of terrorists, drug kingpins and serial-domestic abusers to purchase high-capacity clips at gun shows or fighting for military style weapons to be available to the Jared Loughners, John Patrick Bedells and James Holmes’ of the world, you can bet that whatever comes out of LaPierre's mouth, his only interest is protecting the real clients of today’s NRA: Arms Dealers.

This is made crystal clear by the fact that the NRA’s own membership, many of whom joined only because of an outdated understanding of what the leadership of this organization actually stands for, agree with most Americans that our gun laws should protect our families, and not the financial interests of a clique of craven and self-interested elites.

Here are 5 key issues that divide the LaPierres at the top of the NRA food chain from their 3 million (or 4 million, depending upon the press release that day) members:

1. The Gun Show Loophole

Currently, in over 30 states, one can walk into a local gun show and purchase a weapon from a “private seller,” who does not have to conduct any kind of background check. For example, a .50 caliber sniper rifle, which can take down a helicopter. The NRA has fought to block any and all efforts to pass a federal law closing this infamous gun show loophole, as well as any efforts in the states (but remember, they are anti-crime!).

Timothy McVeigh was once one of these “private sellers” on the gun-show circuit, and everyone from the Columbine killers to members of Hezbollah have obtained firearms this way. Not surprisingly, just like most other sentient beings (including 85% of gun owners not in the NRA), 69% of NRA members, when polled by conservative Republican Frank Luntz, think this loophole should be closed.

2. Terror Gap

If you are put on the U.S. terror watch list you cannot board an airplane. You can, however, still purchase guns and explosives. According to the Government Accountability Office, “From February 2004 through February 2010, 1,228 individuals on the watch list underwent background checks to purchase firearms or explosives; 1,119, or 91 percent, of these transactions were approved."

NRA members understand this even if their leadership stubbornly tries to protect the gun-ownership rights of terrorists (but they’re patriots I tell you!). 82% of NRA members think this gap should be closed.

3. Tiahrt Amendments

Named in honor of all-around clod, the former Kansas Republican Congressman Todd Tiahrt, this is part of the NRA’s constant effort to hamper, harass and harangue any government effort to get to the bottom of how guns came to be used in a crime (but hey, they really, really care about Fast & Furious!). These amendments, attached to federal spending bills, do their best to severely limit the police’s ability to access, use, and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws.

Not surprisingly, while these a big hit at NRA HQ and among those members of Congress so graced with their campaign contributions, 69% of their own members have come to the logical conclusion that this is a pretty bad idea, as have 74% of non-NRA gun owners who think there should be no barriers to information sharing between federal agencies and police when it comes to gun crimes.

4. Reporting Lost & Stolen Guns

Supporting provisions requiring this would seem to be only common sense. But there is not much of that present among the NRA’s leadership. For example, the NRA has not only fought all efforts to make reporting lost or stolen guns to the police a requirement, but in Pennsylvania, where scores of cities and townships have picked up the slack by passing these measures themselves, the fine Americans and conservative-lawsuit-abuse haters at the NRA have actually threatened to sue them to overturn these laws. Yes, you read that correctly, our friends iwho love state and local rights when it comes to allowing a kid to stay on their parent's health care policy until they are 26, don't feel so much the same way about guns.

NRA members would seem to disagree, however. 78% of them think this provision would be a good idea, as do 88% of non-NRA gun owners.

5. Sharing Records With The National Instant Background Check System (NICS)

The Fix Gun Checks Act, modeled on ideas developed by Mayors Against Illegal Guns (for whom I consult), was introduced in the wake of the carnage at Tucson by, among others, Senator Chuck Schumer in March of 2011. Besides closing the gun-show loophole (see #1), it also sought to fix a huge problem in the current federal background check system--a lax attitude by many states and some federal institutions in sharing records of those ineligible to buy firearms due to criminal record or mental health defects. For example, the mass murderer at Virginia Tech, Seung-Hui Cho, had been declared mentally unfit by a judge in Virginia, and Jared Loughner had been rejected by the military for admitted drug use. Both of these men never should have been able to get anywhere near buying a gun legally. But these records were never shared.

The Fix Gun Checks Act would provide both incentives and penalties to states so that all these records are shared in as timely a manner as possible. But the NRA leadership has gone to war with this bill, as they have all other efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unfit. Yet, a poll of swing state voters taken around the time the bill was introduced, showed overwhelming support for this concept among gun owners. In Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, Arizona and (most ironically, and sadly) Colorado, more than 82% of gun owners believed states should be fully funded in their efforts to share these records, while 91% supported requiring federal agencies to share information on potentially dangerous persons such as Loughner.


http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/156416

[Trill Clinton]

Well, by reading some of the insane posts by people here, I can understand why people are so afraid of blacks now.

Really...

Do you think it's just a black thing? If I were to take every situation I have some heartache over and used the excuse "it's because I'm white," I could come up with as many pathetic excuses as black people do.

It's not the color of a persons skin that make people afraid of another. It's how they carry themselves. Their character. Martin Luther King's dream has become real. Too bad too many people don't understand that it's character that matters.

Yes this case has racism written all over it. stop quoting MLK, you're a racist and a bigot and your opinion is invalid at this juncture.

[clambake]

he lied about income. It hasn't been confirmed that he has lied about details in this case, has he?

Being caught in a lie like that only matters in the court of public opinion.

smh

[Blake]

smh

we get that you want to convict him for murder because he lied to avoid paying extra bond money.

Luckily the system is better than you.

[clambake]

luckily you're not part of the system that recognizes the difference between justice and public opinion. lol

[Creepn]

Well, by reading some of the insane posts by people here, I can understand why people are so afraid of blacks now.

Really...

Do you think it's just a black thing? If I were to take every situation I have some heartache over and used the excuse "it's because I'm white," I could come up with as many pathetic excuses as black people do.

It's not the color of a persons skin that make people afraid of another. It's how they carry themselves. Their character. Martin Luther King's dream has become real. Too bad too many people don't understand that it's character that matters.

Oh stop that bullshit! Lmao! You obviously made it clear that you don't judge blacks by their character. You pre-judge black people based on the flawed statistics that you eat everyday for breakfast.

[clambake]

i just heard that perjury is under the jurisdiction of public opinion. lol

[Blake]

luckily you're not part of the system that recognizes the difference between justice and public opinion. lol

What system is that?

[clambake]

What system is that?

the system where the judge knows what perjury is. lol

[clambake]

perjury is not a detail in this case. lol

[Blake]

the system where the judge knows what perjury is. lol

The judge knows that perjury during bond hearings is not evidence to murder no matter how much you keep trying to claim that it is. lol.

[clambake]

The judge knows that perjury during bond hearings is not evidence to murder no matter how much you keep trying to claim that it is. lol.

thats nothing. i heard its not even detail worthy. lol

[clambake]

just cuz he lies doesn't mean he's a liar. lol

[Blake]

just cuz he lies doesn't mean he's a liar. lol

Just cuz he lied about income and a second passport doesn't mean he lied about defending himself that night.

Not sure if that's ever going to sink in at this point. smh.

[clambake]

his credibility should be inadmissible. lol

[Creepn]

Just cuz he lied about income and a second passport doesn't mean he lied about defending himself that night.

Not sure if that's ever going to sink in at this point. smh.

I don't see how you cannot connect the two. Shows he's willing to manipulate the judge then he will lie and manipulate the jurors. He already has multiple versions of the story and he backed tracked several times already. Why? He's trying to manipulate.

[clambake]

I don't see how you cannot connect the two. Shows he's willing to manipulate the judge then he will lie and manipulate the jurors. He already has multiple versions of the story and he backed tracked several times already. Why? He's trying to manipulate.

his credibility is not even detail worthy. lol

[Blake]

his credibility should be inadmissible. lol

The results of the revocation hearing probably will be. Smh.

[Blake]

I don't see how you cannot connect the two. Shows he's willing to manipulate the judge then he will lie and manipulate the jurors. He already has multiple versions of the story and he backed tracked several times already. Why? He's trying to manipulate.

if it's a judge trial with the same judge, he'll remember the lying but other than that, it's two totally separate incidents.

Lying about issue A does not mean he was lying about issue B no matter how hard you try to connect them.

[Creepn]

if it's a judge trial with the same judge, he'll remember the lying but other than that, it's two totally separate incidents.

Lying about issue A does not mean he was lying about issue B no matter how hard you try to connect them.

Well aren't you a nice guy lol. Forgive and forget every time someone lies to you huh?

Ok so in the interview he said Martin was "skipping" but in the 911 call he clearly said "he's running". What do you call that?

[Trill Clinton]

guise, zimmerman only raised 2k after his fox interview. he is going broke and needs our help. please find it in your heart to donate what you can.

[Trill Clinton]

Well aren't you a nice guy lol. Forgive and forget every time someone lies to you huh?

Ok so in the interview he said Martin was "skipping" but in the 911 call he clearly said "he's running". What do you call that?

well that's easy. he obviously had a blonde moment and couldn't remember the word "running" and the first thing that came to mind was "skipping".

[Creepn]

guise, zimmerman only raised 2k after his fox interview. he is going broke and needs our help. please find it in your heart to donate what you can.

I will. I would do the same and stalk a teen home and shoot him after starting up shit.

[cantthinkofanything]

well that's easy. he obviously had a blonde moment and couldn't remember the word "running" and the first thing that came to mind was "skipping".

and experiment if you will...

close your eyes. You're in a very large room, at least 1000 yards in length. About 200 yards across. Covered in artificial turf. Two guys enter in through a door on one end. Both are white. One is running and one is skipping. You have a gun with one bullet. You've been told that one of them just shot a black person. You must kill the white person that killed the black person. You take your shot. Which one did you shoot at?

Open your eyes. Your testicles are covered with leeches.

[Trill Clinton]

I will. I would do the same and stalk a teen home and shoot him after starting up shit.

thank you. make sure you pin him face down after you shoot him. and if the police ask, tell them "after I shot him, he looked at me and said...you..you got me. you got it"

[Creepn]

and experiment if you will...

close your eyes. You're in a very large room, at least 1000 yards in length. About 200 yards across. Covered in artificial turf. Two guys enter in through a door on one end. Both are white. One is running and one is skipping. You have a gun with one bullet. You've been told that one of them just shot a black person. You must kill the white person that killed the black person. You take your shot. Which one did you shoot at?

Open your eyes. Your testicles are covered with leeches.

I don't think Trill can read with his eyes closed...

[Trill Clinton]

and experiment if you will...

close your eyes. You're in a very large room, at least 1000 yards in length. About 200 yards across. Covered in artificial turf. Two guys enter in through a door on one end. Both are white. One is running and one is skipping. You have a gun with one bullet. You've been told that one of them just shot a black person. You must kill the white person that killed the black person. You take your shot. Which one did you shoot at?

Open your eyes. Your testicles are covered with leeches.

i'd shoot the one that's skipping. since a lot of whites hate blacks for some odd reason, i figure the one skipping is doing so because he "earned his stripes" and can't wait to go brag.