Actually, the irony is that a lot of the donations are going to end up in the hands of the Martin family once they file a civil claim against GZ and GZ is forced to settle or loses in court.
Without these donations, George wouldn't have much in the way of assets to recover, but the 6 figure (and counting) donations change things.
I kniow the law varies by state, but I don't think that will happen. The fund can be set up for specific purposes and be protected.
If Zimmerman is innocent like I think, then maybe he should sue for the mental suffering Martin and the media put him through.
I miss the 1/2 hr News hour...
Suppose you are walking in a predominantly black neighborhood late at night visiting a friend (I'm assuming you aren't black) to watch a Spurs game.
Now suppose on your way home you notice a 200 poundish black guy in his late 20's staring at you and then following you on your way home.
Now suppose you turn onto the street your friend lives and you spot him again following you. You ask him why he's following you and he responds by askig you what are you doing in the neigborhood.
Is it possible you'd see this as him implying you don't belong in the neighborhood? Suppose you take a bit of an exception to his comment and tell him it's none of his business really after you realize he's just a civilian, not a cop or a security guard. Suppose he then says "Sir, you seem to be acting a bit suspicious to me. Why don't you stay here until the police arrive. I called them and they are on their way to ask you a few questions".
What's your next action? Can anyone on here truthfully say (and obviously this is speculation, but I think this is a very reasonable possibility of how thngs transpired) that they would feel they should tell a complete stranger who hasn't identified himself to you as being a neighborhood watchman what they were doing and where they were going? Would there not be a voice inside you saying (uhh, I have no idea who this stranger is or what he wants, so it might not be a good idea to tell him where my friend lives)?
And if you found out someone had called the cops on you when all you were doing was going to a friend's house that you wouldn't be at the least vey upset?
If I had someone following me, I would place a call to the police. I can handle myself, but the laws are less forgiving in Oregon than in Florida.
I had something similar happen a few years back, but I was in a car. Turned out we both called the police on each other.
This hypothetical Black area that I'm walking in. Was there a recent rash of burglaries committed by whites?
Looks like many prayers have been answered. Zimmerman is out. God bless
Great question, unfortunately the pro-zimmerman posters will not give you a honest answer because it makes their defense of zimmerman look questionable.
- To make this a better analogy, let's say that yes there was a recent rash of burglaries committed by whites. However, you are visiting a friend in a different city than the one you live in and you only occasionally visit this neighborhood so let's suppose you aren't privy to that information.
- For arguments sake, let's say that the guy was close enough to you that you went ahead and made a call to the police and they told you "OK, we'll be right over, but it does usually take us 3-5 minutes or so to get to your location" and you run into the man following you before the police arrive. What would you do then if he started questioning you about what you were doing in the neighborhood and told you to stay put until the cops got there to confirm you weren't in the process of committing a crime?
Last edited by bobbyjoe; 07-08-2012 at 12:31 AM.
LOL...
That's really laughable.
I would laugh in has face and walk away, but tell him I was visiting. I wouldn't give him any more information that what is enough to diffuse the situation. I wouldn't escalate it. I would call the police if I thought it necessary. I most certainly wouldn't do anything to escalate a situation with someone of unknown ability in hand to hand, or weaponry, with no witnesses. I have however in public places!
LOL...
Do you really think Zimmerman said something like that to Martin?
Absolutely something to that effect I think is a strong possibility. I'm not sure why it's so laughable when the lead detective told Zimmerman a witness had told him the reason for the altercation is that Martin was trying to resist being illegally detained.
Zimmerman was 100% convinced Martin was a criminal. Hell, he even kept referring to Martin as "the suspect" in the interrogation room the night he shot him. He didn't want him to get away.
I can't imagine a scenario in which Zimmerman would take Martin at his word that he was just visiting if TM was to hypothetically laugh in his face and walk away as you suggest. That only works if the guy lets you walk away without escalating the situation.
Given that Zimmerman was convinced Trayon was a criminal, how do you think he'd have reacted if Trayvon told him "I'm just going home to watch the allstar game". Do you really think he'd just walk away and say "Oh, ok. Enjoy the game. Go West!?!"
Something had to have happened to escalate the situation. Mentally stable people don't just attack total strangers out of the blue.
Let's flip the script. Suppose you were Zimmerman and convinced the guy was a criminal. What would you say to him when you crossed paths?
PS. Let's also remember that Zimmerman shot Travyon 60 feet from the T intersection that he claims the fight started at. The shooting took place 60 feet closer to where Trayvon's dad's GF lived. So, to your point about walking away, it could well be that Trayvon tried to get away from George and go home (perhaps after swinging at him or arguing with him or seeing his gun) but George wasn't cool with that and chased him. One witness has said she saw 2 folks running and one in pursuit. It would all explain why the body was mysteriously found 60 feet from where they allegedly started to fight...
Last edited by bobbyjoe; 07-08-2012 at 04:53 AM.
Look, if there is merit to Zimmerman attempting to restrain Martin with suspicion and not probable cause, then I agree there is cause to convict Zimmerman. I just don't believe that was the case.
I take that to mean you believe that Martin simply reacted violently to being followed and wanted to prove a point to Zimmerman?
If so, what is your theory as to why Martin would initially react to Zimmerman by running away?
Zimmerman's written statement says Trayvon circled his car but then ran away from him and ran to the street on which his dad's GF lived.
Why would Trayvon run away from Zimmerman if he wanted to start trouble with him? If his intent is to teach Zimmerman a listen once he observes him following/watching him, why would he run and head towards the house he was staying at? How could he possibly have known he'd ever see Zimmerman again when he chose to run away fom him?
It just doesn't add up... Zimmerman wants us to believe Trayvon did a complete 180 in his mindset of going from being scared enough to run away to then confronting and attacking without any provocation just a few seconds later. Maybe that's believable if they prove Trayvon is bipolar or schizophrenic. If not, it just doesn't make sense.
Yes, that's what I believe.
Is that the fact?
I don't recall seeing that. Did I miss something crucial? Can you direct me to it?
Again, I didn't see evidence as to that being the case. I know his girlfriend is on record as telling him to run away, but I don't believe that's what happened.
If you say so. I missed it if that's what happened. Again, please point me to where this is in evidence.
Yeah skittles and a hoodie are grounds for probable cause....
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Yep...
You are most definitely stupid enough to believe that.
Derpa derp derp. You are the one that said it. I just mocked you for it.
There you go again, making things up and lying.
Please show me where I said that, you fucking low life liar.
Here I am, having an honest discussion with BobbyJoe, and here you are, being a lowlife jerk.
Do you even know what probable cause means and who or what it applies to?
Zimmerman doesn't get to play cop and even if he did walking with skittles and a hoodie at night in the rain is not anything remotely implying a crime.
This is once again you lacking critical thinking skills in regards to what you say or the logical extensions thereof.
You can call me a lowlife all you like but as with everything you can show no specifics. You and your stupidity on the other hand has a long line of empirical examples to demonstrate the truth of that.
I have to wonder Fuzzy, if you are the inspiration for the movie Sucker Punch.
I have to wonder are you the inspiration behind the movie Idiocracy?
Well, I never heard of that movie and had to look it up. It doesn't surprise me it's in you favorite movie list.
You still didn't show me where I said what you accuse me of.
I realize you cannot see or understand it and that goes back to my point about your inablility to understand logical extensions. You said:
Think about it some more. I'll give you a hint: what do you think is the case?Look, if there is merit to Zimmerman attempting to restrain Martin with suspicion and not probable cause, then I agree there is cause to convict Zimmerman. I just don't believe that was the case.
I'm sorry if you thinking capacity is too retarded to understand my point. I'm sure BobbyJoe understood. Either way, it would be proper for you to ask for clarification instead of being accusatory like you are. It's just farther proof you are a moron.
I don't need clarification. You think probable cause is an issue in Zimmerman 'restraining' Martin.
As i stated not only do you not know what the hell you are talking about but you fail to understand what you are saying implies beyond the immediate.
On Martin running:
From the part of Zimmerman's call to police where he says, "He's running" to the time he hangs up is almost exactly 2 minutes. The girlfriend DeeDee says she heard their (GZ and TM) verbal exchange a few seconds before her and Martin's call went dead.
If you look at the phone records of both calls, from the time of Zimmerman's "He's running" to a best guess of DeeDee hearing "Why are you following me?" looks to be close to 4 minutes.
Where did Martin go for those 4 minutes? Looking at the map of the complex, surely he could have made it home in a fraction of that time if he ran, or even jogged. Why didn't he just run inside his house? Not that he had to, but if he was scared of/concerned about Zimmerman, then why wouldn't he just do that?
Seems like he either ran to his house, or close to his house, and then went back up towards the "T" area of the sidewalks, or he ran for just a few moments and then lingered in that area somewhere until he saw Zimmerman again. Unless someone can think of another explanation for his whereabouts during that time. At one point during her interview DeeDee says something like "He (TM) said he wasn't going to run because he's right by his father's house." Right by is vague of course, but if he was close enough to say "right by", then how did he end up at the sidewalk "T"? He would have had to have gone back.
Putting together a timeline for the actions of both is going to be basically the whole case, and 4 minutes is a very long time here.
^Doesn't want his pursuer to know where he lives and put his little brother in harm's way. He was trying to shake him off to me.
so now trayvon should have walked home and be followed by the creep stalking him? does that make any sense? i'm starting to believe some of you have ZERO survival skills lol.
can't remember who, but early in the original thread some posters were saying that if someone pointed a gun at them they wouldn't fight, instead they'd turn their backs on the guy and run lmaooo.
Last edited by Trill Clinton; 07-08-2012 at 01:59 PM.
He should have called the police if his concern was safety. We know he had a working cell phone.
Maybe he should have but as I explained to you before, calling the police is a last resort type of thing for AA's. Calling the cops brings the extreme possibility of more trouble either by the cops, the escaped suspect or the suspect's affiliates.
Stop being so faux naive to the fact that cops and blacks don't exactly have a cozy relationship.
Good god, how the fuck is people still arguing about this months later?
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