Elite QB's?

[Avante]

The more teams in the league the weaker the overall QB play is, there just aren't that many great QB's in the world at the same time.

Right now we have...

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Eli
Peyton
Big Ben
Rivers

Romo???

It's looking like Newton will be a great one someday.

Sure you can win without that elite QB (Niners, Ravens) but you need so many other things working for you. Far easier to win with that great Qb.

The top 10 retired

1.Joe Montana
2.Brett Favre
3.John Elway
4.Dan Marino
5.Johnny Unitas
7.Otto Graham
8.Steve Young
9.Troy Aikman
10.Fran Tarkenton

I think Bradshaw/Starr just had great teams around them.

[Blake]

The more teams in the league the weaker the overall QB play is,

wut

[Clipper Nation]

Romo being listed as an elite QB
Favre ahead of Marino

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sure you can win without that elite QB (Niners, Ravens)

thinking those teams are proof you can win without an elite QB

[Monostradamus]

rivers and big ben being called elite

[Avante]

wut

Think about it. What if there were only 16 teams. What do we have now?

[Avante]

Romo being listed as an elite QB
Favre ahead of Marino

You know what a..?...means?

How many Superbowls did Marino win? Wanna compare stats?

[Avante]

rivers and big ben being called elite

Absolutely!!!!!!!

Do a little homework.

[Avante]

thinking those teams are proof you can win without an elite QB

Both a couple plays away from meeting in the Superbowl. What's your idea of winning?

[Monostradamus]

Absolutely!!!!!!!

Do a little homework.

Big Ben was 10th in passer rating, 11th in touchdown passes, and in the top 10 in the league in INT's thrown. That's a decent QB, not an elite one.

Philip Rivers is even worse, he threw 20 INT's to finish 3rd in the league, which is something no elite QB does.

I admit tho that I didn't check either of their 100m times.

[Avante]

Big Ben was 10th in passer rating, 11th in touchdown passes, and in the top 10 in the league in INT's thrown. That's a decent QB, not an elite one.

Philip Rivers is even worse, he threw 20 INT's to finish 3rd in the league, which is something no elite QB does.

I admit tho that I didn't check either of their 100m times.

You don't look at "one" season you compare careers? Now try it again.

So tell me what former QB ran a 10.26 100m? You brought it up.

Check out Rivers career stats vs Eli's.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What's your idea of winning?

Winning the superbowl.

[Avante]

Winning the superbowl.

Yep Jim Kelly sucked! Couldn't hold a candle to Trent Dilfer.

[Blake]

Think about it. What if there were only 16 teams. What do we have now?

if there were only 16 teams, the chances of another Montana/Young situation happening increase substantially.

[Avante]

if there were only 16 teams, the chances of another Montana/Young situation happening increase substantially.

Nobody cares about that.

The bottom line is that the more teams involved dilute the game. Simply common sense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yep Jim Kelly sucked! Couldn't hold a candle to Trent Dilfer.

The last time a team with a non-elite QB won the superbowl was the 2002 season. In today's NFL, it's abundantly clear you need an elite QB to win a superbowl.

[Avante]

The last time a team with a non-elite QB won the superbowl was the 2002 season. In today's NFL, it's abundantly clear you need an elite QB to win a superbowl.

Stop it, ok? Everyone said how the Ravens should have beat the Pats, everyone! If Ted Ginn doesn't get hurt (why Williams was returnig kicks) there is a great chance the Niners beat the Giants. So it would have been the Harbaugh bowl. Stop acting like that wasn't what happened. So no you don't have to have that elite QB to win a SB.

[silverblk mystix]

The more teams in the league the weaker the overall QB play is, there just aren't that many great QB's in the world at the same time.

Right now we have...

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Eli
Peyton
Big Ben
Rivers

Romo???

It's looking like Newton will be a great one someday.

Sure you can win without that elite QB (Niners, Ravens) but you need so many other things working for you. Far easier to win with that great Qb.

The top 10 retired

1.Joe Montana
2.Brett Favre
3.John Elway
4.Dan Marino
5.Johnny Unitas
7.Otto Graham
8.Steve Young
9.Troy Aikman
10.Fran Tarkenton

I think Bradshaw/Starr just had great teams around them.

I would place Roger Staubach somewhere on that top ten list.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Stop it, ok? Everyone said how the Ravens should have beat the Pats, everyone! If Ted Ginn doesn't get hurt (why Williams was returnig kicks) there is a great chance the Niners beat the Giants. So it would have been the Harbaugh bowl. Stop acting like that wasn't what happened. So no you don't have to have that elite QB to win a SB.

What happened was Tom Brady played Eli Manning in the superbowl.

[Avante]

I would place Roger Staubach somewhere on that top ten list.

Sorry bro, while I respect your opinion and yes Staubach was great and would be in the top 15...........................

[Fabbs]

Favre ahead of Marino

Easily.
Marino was a selfish stat hound who did not have the intangible of getting teamates (o and d) to play hard for him.
I loved the guy in his record year in going to the Bowl.
Afterwords when he publicly demanded 1 buck more then Joe Montana got, he lost all kinds of people including teamates.

Favres comeback year that the cheating cheapshot Saints ended only by another of their cheapies blocked an epic year by old Farve. To go with his earlier Bowls.

[Blake]

Nobody cares about that.

The bottom line is that the more teams involved dilute the game. Simply common sense.

Explain how it dilutes the QB play

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I can see why it dilutes QB play.

In a team that had 16 teams, there wouldn't be a team with Kevin Kolb and John Skelton competing for a starting job.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Stop it, ok? Everyone said how the Ravens should have beat the Pats, everyone! If Ted Ginn doesn't get hurt (why Williams was returnig kicks) there is a great chance the Niners beat the Giants. So it would have been the Harbaugh bowl. Stop acting like that wasn't what happened. So no you don't have to have that elite QB to win a SB.

You can't have Alex Smith going 1/13 on 3rd down (with that 1 conversion being the final play when the Giants played everyone deep), and expect to win. QB/WR are what you need on O in today's game. If Elite Manning didn't step up the way he did with all those injuries, Giants would have been out of the playoff race in December. Game managing QB's don't work in today's game.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You can't have Alex Smith going 1/13 on 3rd down (with that 1 conversion being the final play when the Giants played everyone deep), and expect to win. QB/WR are what you need on O in today's game. If Elite Manning didn't step up the way he did with all those injuries, Giants would have been out of the playoff race in December. Game managing QB's don't work in today's game.

My nigga Daunte dropping truth bombs

[Avante]

Explain how it dilutes the QB play

What if we had the old AFL, or an 8 team league? Who would be the starters?

Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Big Ben
Drew Brees
Matthew Stafford

Now look at their backups

Far higher quality of play than we will see with 32 teams playing. I really had to explain something that obvious?

[Clipper Nation]

Philip Rivers is even worse, he threw 20 INT's to finish 3rd in the league, which is something no elite QB does.

He also played hurt all season, plus Brees threw 22 interceptions in 2010 yet is still called an elite QB.....

Aside from that, Rivers' career passer rating is still third-best all-time behind only Rodgers and Young, has led the league in YPA and adjusted YPA multiple times, led the league in passing yards the season before last, and holds the NFL record for most passing yards through the first eight games of the season.... anyone claiming that Rivers isn't elite clearly needs to check his stats, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

Yep Jim Kelly sucked! Couldn't hold a candle to Trent Dilfer.

Says the person who also thinks Favre is better than Marino because of ring count

[Blake]

What if we had the old AFL, or an 8 team league? Who would be the starters?

Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Big Ben
Drew Brees
Matthew Stafford

Now look at their backups

Far higher quality of play than we will see with 32 teams playing. I really had to explain something that obvious?

so the stats on average would be weaker.

Perhaps, but you'd have to also consider that the defenses would also be stacked.

Reading your posts are like deciphering hieroglyphics

[Will Hunting]

He also played hurt all season, plus Brees threw 22 interceptions in 2010 yet is still called an elite QB.....

Aside from that, Rivers' career passer rating is still third-best all-time behind only Rodgers and Young, has led the league in YPA and adjusted YPA multiple times, led the league in passing yards the season before last, and holds the NFL record for most passing yards through the first eight games of the season.... anyone claiming that Rivers isn't elite clearly needs to check his stats, tbh...

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