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    If it happens, Spurs are fucked. They were still fucked by OKC being better so it doesn't really change their issue. Spurs ceiling would be to be the third best team in the west instead of the second one.

    As an answer to this trade, Spurs will need to sign a random 7 footer. He doesn't need to be great or skilled and will get a lot of DNP CD but he will be useful against Howard to play some physical defense and gives his 6 fouls.
    It won't happen. That's what Bonner is for.
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    If it happens, Spurs are fucked. They were still fucked by OKC being better so it doesn't really change their issue. Spurs ceiling would be to be the third best team in the west instead of the second one.

    As an answer to this trade, Spurs will need to sign a random 7 footer. He doesn't need to be great or skilled and will get a lot of DNP CD but he will be useful against Howard to play some physical defense and gives his 6 fouls.
    Darko Millic??


    No, but really, the FO needs to seek a tough physical post to throw at Howard.


    If this thing goes down, it is isn't good for the Spurs in the short term (which matters most), at all.

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    No need, mate.

    Well, Spurs do need to have Bonner on the court at the end of game to make clutch shots. They can't afford to have him fouling out because they will be toasted in that case.

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    Howard
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    Fucken hell hey
    Jamison will come off the bench. If they keep World Peace, he'll start.

    Formidable starting 5, if Kobe allows it to be.

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    Well, Spurs do need to have Bonner on the court at the end of game to make clutch shots. They can't afford to have him fouling out because they will be toasted in that case.

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    spurs going to counter by signing ajinca or zuller...

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    No need, mate.

    Those are some crooked-ass teeth for a white guy.

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    Darko Millic??


    No, but really, the FO needs to seek a tough physical post to throw at Howard.
    Darko would fit the bill on the court but it could create some chemistry issues because he shouldn't be fine with playing such a limited role.
    Jason Collins or Przybilla would be good picks.

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    meltdown
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    So the Spurs should not be alarmed that the Lakers are in the midst of acquiring the best Center in the league?

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    They've been in the midst of it since the season ended.

    It doesn't matter what Howard agrees to. Bynum still has to agree to an extension with Orlando(he's already said he's not going to) or they have to work a three way trade and ship him to Houston. We're pretty much in the same place we were yesterday.

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    So the Spurs should not be alarmed that the Lakers are in the midst of acquiring the best Center in the league?
    Meh.

    Getting alarmed won't change anything. Bynum and Howard are the two best centers in the league. The Lakers look to be better with Howard if he can return to his pre-surgery levels. It is what it is.

    The new CBA created a more restrictive luxury tax system and most teams have to adjust their behavior because of it. The very richest teams don't. It never was an even playing field, and the new CBA actually increases the competitive advantage available to the wealthiest teams in the markets attractive to rich, young celebrities. With the occasional odd exception (OKC has one more year before they'll have to choose between Ibaka and Harden), NBA champions will come from Miami, LA, and NY for the foreseeable future.

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    It's the late 90s early 00s Portland dilemma: there's only one ball. Everyone thought they'd win a title. They didn't. Everyone REALLY thought the ring chaser 2004 Lakers would win. They didn't.
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    If it happens, Spurs are fucked. They were still fucked by OKC being better so it doesn't really change their issue. Spurs ceiling would be to be the third best team in the west instead of the second one.

    As an answer to this trade, Spurs will need to sign a random 7 footer. He doesn't need to be great or skilled and will get a lot of DNP CD but he will be useful against Howard to play some physical defense and gives his 6 fouls.

    The Spurs were fucked anyway, so it's not like this move all the sudden rips the title out of the Spurs' hands. Even if the Spurs managed to get out of the West, their reward would be to play the Superfriends in Miami.

    There is no answer to this trade. I get what you're saying, but a garbage 7-footer doesn't all the sudden give the Spurs a better shot, at least not anymore than a garbage 6'10" redhead.

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    the new cba dont mean shit

    stern the clown is all about ratings, he will get these fakers to the finals just like he did in 04 ....fck him and his cba bullshit, nba = wwe = loleufa

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    Howard improves the Lakers significantly, they will be the best team in the west.

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    spurs going to counter by signing ajinca or zuller...
    Bonner and Zeller on the same team


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    Darko would fit the bill on the court but it could create some chemistry issues because he shouldn't be fine with playing such a limited role.
    Jason Collins or Przybilla would be good picks.
    did Nazr already sign with the Nets?
    Shelden Williams is the other one that comes to mind when thinking about some physical inside presence along with some fouls.

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    Howard is a lot more style than substance, so I welcome his move to LA. Makes the Lakers less of a threat.
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    The Spurs were fucked anyway, so it's not like this move all the sudden rips the title out of the Spurs' hands. Even if the Spurs managed to get out of the West, their reward would be to play the Superfriends in Miami.

    There is no answer to this trade. I get what you're saying, but a garbage 7-footer doesn't all the sudden give the Spurs a better shot, at least not anymore than a garbage 6'10" redhead.
    ...and why this choker continues to remain a Spur is a mystery to me.

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    Lakers front office > Spurs front office

    The lakers have a history of getting the top players via trades and free agency(front office moves), the Spurs build through the draft and bring back the same team year after year.

    Kobe, Shaq,Odom, Gasol, Nash, Howard, Chris Paul(shot down)
    All acquired through an aggressive front office
    None were their draft picks
    Apples and oranges here. The way the Lakers have been built over the last 40 years has been by sending inferior assets to cash stapped teams that were desparate and/or stupid.

    Look at how LA acquired Wilt Chamberlain, Jabbar, Magic, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Shaq, Kobe, Gasol - the bulk of their top historical players. The pattern goes two ways - essentially the trading partner received a washed up player or mediocre talent and LA gets a future #1 draft pick. Lo and behold, the trading partner has an awful season and LA gets the first pick in the draft a year or two later for what turns out to be vastly inferior assets.

    The other scenario is a player refuses to play or resign with his current team and forces a trade to LA. That's what happened with Jabbar, Shaq, Kobe, Chamberlain, etc. The team on the other end would get pennies on the dollar in those transactions too.

    The teams that got the short end of the stick on these trades? The Bucks, the Jazz, the Cavaliers, the Magic, Grizzlies, Philly (76s I think). Generally small market teams with significant financial limitation.

    Getting Howard for Bynum would be somewhat of a more equitable deal, but still Orlando is getting pennies on the dollar if this happens and Dwight re-ups for five years. Bynum has got major mental issues messing with his performance.

    To say the current Lakers front office is without question better than the current Spurs front office is a little short sighted IMO. SA has never been the preferred destination of premium free agents, and a lot of LA's key aquisitions have been due to contractual differences or contractual expirations. The starry eyed player wants to go to LA for the opportunities outside of basketball. The Spurs don't have that card to play.

    If you put Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak in San Antonio ten or fifteen years ago, switching places with Pop and RC, I would doubt the Spurs would have been as successful as they have been.

    The only decent player the Lakers have drafted themselves the last 15 years is Bynum. Isn't the draft a significant portion of what a front offices does? That counts for something. Kupchak and Buss play a role in that, don't they?

    The good news about the Laker trades or potentual trades would be that both Nash and Howard have material back issues that could cut things short for both of them.

    In addition, Baby Drew can put a monkee wrench in all of this. With his current level of maturity, that could happen too. What would really be great is Orlando balks now and Bynum walks next summer to Cleveland or Orlando and takes away the only decent young player the Lakers have.
    Last edited by Harry Callahan; 07-19-2012 at 08:23 AM.

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    Apples and oranges here.
    Nice post. You didn't even mention the little fact that the Lakers will outspend the Spurs by some 50 million dollars this season, inclusive luxury tax.

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    Howard signing an extension is only half the battle, any word on Bynum? If Bynum will not sign an extension (why would he?) then this trade is not happening....
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    If the small-market owners really want parity, they'll lock the players out one more time and put in a hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts. We'd lose at least a full season then.

    That, or the economy finally recovers, the league and its owners start rolling in cash, and the small-market owners stop complaining.

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    Nice post. You didn't even mention the little fact that the Lakers will outspend the Spurs by some 50 million dollars this season, inclusive luxury tax.
    Right, with the local TV deals in place for each NBA team, the Lakers have several times more money to play with than the typical franchise due to the Time Warner (?) deal.

    The NFL is the only league that understands how to structure its business model for the good of the league as a whole.

    The "Haves" and "Have nots" scenario of the NBA and MLB is frustrating to most knowledgeable fans.

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    If the small-market owners really want parity, they'll lock the players out one more time and put in a hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts. We'd lose at least a full season then.

    That, or the economy finally recovers, the league and its owners start rolling in cash, and the small-market owners stop complaining.
    I see some relocations for sure - maybe contraction in the NBA's near term future. A least one or two teams will move or go away.

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    The Spurs were fucked anyway, so it's not like this move all the sudden rips the title out of the Spurs' hands. Even if the Spurs managed to get out of the West, their reward would be to play the Superfriends in Miami.

    There is no answer to this trade. I get what you're saying, but a garbage 7-footer doesn't all the sudden give the Spurs a better shot, at least not anymore than a garbage 6'10" redhead.

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    This deal will happen with either Bynum going to Houston or Cleaveland. Tough news for the western conference as this is a team that will beat everyone. Thank goodness we had a lockout ensure competitive balance.

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    This deal will happen with either Bynum going to Houston or Cleaveland. Tough news for the western conference as this is a team that will beat everyone. Thank goodness we had a lockout ensure competitive balance.
    Not so sure about that....Orlando is the key team in the trade and somebody is going to have to take on alot of shitty contracts and give them some picks..Only team that can do that is Houston and I am not sure if they like Bynum as much as Howard to take him on without a gurantee of an extension.

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    This deal will happen with either Bynum going to Houston or Cleaveland. Tough news for the western conference as this is a team that will beat everyone. Thank goodness we had a lockout ensure competitive balance.
    Competitive balance was always a secondary goal for ownership. Once the players caved on the economic issues, the owners stopped pretending that they really cared about competitive balance.

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