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    I got Gary Johnson. I LOLed when it told me I agreed with Ron Paul on the environment. Yeah how about no?
    Paul's actually a pretty eco-friendly candidate if you don't buy the EPA's bullshit, tbh... he proposes using tort law to actually punish polluters in a court of law while driving up the cost of pollution, as opposed to the liberal "solution" of EPA permits that don't solve anything and expensive regulations that punish small businesses.... he also opposes oil and gas subsidies....
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    Paul's actually a pretty eco-friendly candidate if you don't buy the EPA's bullshit, tbh... he proposes using tort law to actually punish polluters in a court of law while driving up the cost of pollution, as opposed to the liberal "solution" of EPA permits that don't solve anything and expensive regulations that punish small businesses.... he also opposes oil and gas subsidies....
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    Paul's actually a pretty eco-friendly candidate if you don't buy the EPA's bullshit, tbh... he proposes using tort law to actually punish polluters in a court of law while driving up the cost of pollution, as opposed to the liberal "solution" of EPA permits that don't solve anything and expensive regulations that punish small businesses.... he also opposes oil and gas subsidies....
    Paul is a terrible candidate if you want to protect the environment. He has no concept of a resource that all of society owns such as the ocean or the atmosphere. He feels you can do whatever you want with your land. Sure if you pollute someone elses land then you get to sue but I would in no way say that is an effective strategy against large corporations (LOL BP).

    He also doesn't buy into climate change. Or he says he doesn't now after he did in the past. Any candidate who ignores basic science and starts decrying evolution and climate change (not aware of Pauls stance on evolution but I'm using it s an example of the type of scientific thinking I avoid) is not going to get very far with me.

    The min problem with this poll is its based off of what these guys say when many don't men it one bit. I'm good for the environment! I'm sure thats what they all say. Too bad the reality is very different.
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    Not to mention even if I had faith in the civil legal systems ability to work properly when large corpations were involved, its still a matter of shutting the barn door after the horse is out. Oh, you just contaminated the water supply that millions rely on through the dumping of toxic waste on private land? Prepare to get sued!

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    ”do you believe in the theory of evolution?”

    Smh

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    Authoritarians just don't understand that libertarian solutions can work better.
    Romney supporter.

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    Not to mention even if I had faith in the civil legal systems ability to work properly when large corpations were involved, its still a matter of shutting the barn door after the horse is out. Oh, you just contaminated the water supply that millions rely on through the dumping of toxic waste on private land? Prepare to get sued!
    Still a better solution than "Prepare to get a meaningless permit," tbh....

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    He feels you can do whatever you want with your land.
    God forbid we actually RESPECT property rights in this country! The horror....

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    Still a better solution than "Prepare to get a meaningless permit," tbh....
    Nice strawman. I don't remember where I advocated meaningless permits? I advocate the strong protection of community resources - ESPECIALLY water supplies - because they don't belong to any one person. You're the one that came in on a white horse trying to defend Paul's stupid ideas.

    You will get no where protecting the environment with a punitive system because the damages and the ability to pay damages are rarely equal and the loss to society as a whole is greater.

    The current system we have is far from perfect but I don't see how anyone can successfully argue against regulation and prevention being the best ways by far to protect the environment. Have you seen any American rivers burning recently?

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    God forbid we actually RESPECT property rights in this country! The horror....
    Property rights =! doing whatever you want with your land. I cannot go buy an acre, and have a toxic waste dump on it where the waste is both allowed to enter the atmosphere and the water supply.

    Yes, that would be a horror and its definitely something to be concerned about. The environmental history of corporations where regulation is absent is quite well documented.

    Ask the people of Bopal what they think about lawsuits.

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    "Have you seen any American rivers burning recently"

    but the Mississippi is a septic cess pool poisoning the Gulf, and all rivers and fish tested were polluted with methyl mercury from coal plants

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    Just to be clear, I have no problems with suing polluters. I have a severe problem with anyone who believes that we can protect our national resources solely through a punitive system.

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    Just to be clear, I have no problems with suing polluters. I have a severe problem with anyone who believes that we can protect our national resources solely through a punitive system.
    The problem is the punitive action is laughable.

    Save $1,000,000 dollars... get caught... get a $50,000 fine.

    How many times are they not caught?

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    Now i have to look and see who jill stein is.

    Also, the numbers are all relatively close to one another which bolsters my claim that I am a left leaning centrist.
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    As with most of these things I felt that the questions were loaded and fixated on forced paradigms. The debt ceiling question for example just made me roll my eyes as I think the notion of a debt ceiling as if it's like balancing your CC statements is just asinine.
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    Authoritarians just don't understand that libertarian solutions can work better.
    Stupid people do not understand that sweeping generalizations are not the solution to anything.

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