What is the best.......

[Blake]

.......religion?

I won't mention Yoni's name, but a certain poster has stated he/she thinks atheists should leave and start their own country.

If you agree, this is your chance to prove that your religion is the best one for all of humanity.

So, For the sake of advancing society, which is the best religion out there?

For discussion purposes, I will and you may loosely refer to atheism as a religion, even though by hard definition, it's not.

Right now, I've got atheism placed in the #1 slot. I'd appreciate well-rounded, thoughtful, logical arguments against it being #1.

Thanks.

[Yonivore]

.......religion?

There is no best religion, they're all as imperfect as their adherents.

I won't mention Yoni's name, but a certain poster has stated he/she thinks atheists should leave and start their own country.

I didn't say that. What I said was, if atheists remain as intent on violating the first amendment rights of others' to freely express their religion, perhaps they should start their own country. Atheists are welcome to stay in my America.

If you agree, this is your chance to prove that your religion is the best one for all of humanity.

So, For the sake of advancing society, which is the best religion out there?

For discussion purposes, I will and you may loosely refer to atheism as a religion, even though by hard definition, it's not.

Right now, I've got atheism placed in the #1 slot. I'd appreciate well-rounded, thoughtful, logical arguments against it being #1.

Thanks.

Faith is personal but, for the sake of this argument, I'd say those who believe in God have done more to advance society than those who don't.

[Clipper Nation]

I didn't say that. What I said was, if atheists remain as intent on violating the first amendment rights of others' to freely express their religion, perhaps they should start their own country.

Evangelicals such as yourself violate everyone's first amendment rights daily by using the law to force your agenda on others, tbh....

[Drachen]

Faith is personal but, for the sake of this argument, I'd say those who believe in God have done more to advance society than those who don't.

I get where you are going, but this isn't really an argument for or against. I think the question out of all of the religions, and athiesm, choose one which does the best to advance society.

Someone can believe in god and advance society, but is it the tenets of this religion (or athiesm) which led them to their advances, and how?

[Drachen]

Evangelicals such as yourself violate everyone's first amendment rights daily by using the law to force your agenda on others, tbh....

Oh, just ignore that part, he doesn't like the push back from those using the same tactics as those who have been in power for so long.

[clambake]

its not faith..........its indoctrination from other humans.

[Blake]

There is no best religion, they're all as imperfect as their adherents.

not what was asked.

I didn't say that.

Does your God know how much of a liar you are?

What I said was, if atheists remain as intent on violating the first amendment rights of others' to freely express their religion, perhaps they should start their own country. Atheists are welcome to stay in my America.

What you actually said:

[quote]

Yeah, well, it's kind of why those English fellers, back in the day, came over here; to escape religious persecution.

I think atheists should start their own country.

Faith is personal but, for the sake of this argument, I'd say those who believe in God have done more to advance society than those who don't.

Again, not what was asked for.

You're a huge lying, hypocritical douche, but you are still welcome to stay in my thread and my America.

[Yonivore]

I get where you are going, but this isn't really an argument for or against. I think the question out of all of the religions, and athiesm, choose one which does the best to advance society.

Well, again, that's a moving target. I stated it as I did because, (and, I'm sure I'll say this imprecisely) I believe a faith and belief in God is a force for good. Where it becomes problematic for societies is, that at various times in history, many (if not all) religions' adherents have misused that association with their religion to take society backward.

So, if you're asking me which is best, at this moment in time? It's the one you hear the least about in the news.

Someone can believe in god and advance society, but is it the tenets of this religion (or athiesm) which led them to their advances, and how?

Well, I think there are certain tenets of every religion that, if followed, would lead a person to advance society. Christianity, for example, has as its principal edict that we are to love one another as God has loved us and as Jesus demonstrated during his time on Earth.

I think a person couldn't go wrong in following that.

[Blake]

Well, I think there are certain tenets of every religion that, if followed, would lead a person to advance society. Christianity, for example, has as its principal edict that we are to love one another as God has loved us and as Jesus demonstrated during his time on Earth.

I think a person couldn't go wrong in following that.

Christianity is not necessary to figure out how to get along with one another.

And if you can't adhere to all the tenets of a religion, then that religion has no merit. Imo.

[Yonivore]

not what was asked.

You asked, "What is the best religion." I don't know why that doesn't answer the question.

Does your God know how much of a liar you are?

My God knows exactly who I am.

What you actually said:

I know what I said and, it was in the context of atheists persecuting other religions, principally Christianity. If they don't like the values inherent in our society, they're welcome to start their own.

Again, not what was asked for.

It's my answer. Perhaps you should ask better questions.

[boutons_deux]

"atheists persecuting other religions"

You Lie

is there ANY right-wing/"Christian" lie you don't adhere to and propagate?

[Clipper Nation]

I know what I said and, it was in the context of atheists persecuting other religions, principally Christianity.

Not even possible, as Christianity has all the power, tbh....

[Bill_Brasky]

so now christians are victims? Oh boy.

[Blake]

You asked, "What is the best religion." I don't know why that doesn't answer the question.

k, why is your religion better than atheism.

My God knows exactly who I am.

so do we.

I know what I said and, it was in the context of atheists persecuting other religions, principally Christianity. If they don't like the values inherent in our society, they're welcome to start their own.

what inherent values in society do atheists not like?

It's my answer. Perhaps you should ask better questions.

You can type whatever rambling words you want.

Just letting you know that you didn't sufficiently answer that simple question and that your rambling answer isn't getting a response.

[Wild Cobra]

Th problem is, not matter what a person's religion, they create their God in their image.

[clambake]

Th problem is, not matter what a person's religion, they create their God in their image.

no they don't. the image was painted by the humans that indoctrinated them.

[Blake]

Th problem is, not matter what a person's religion, they create their God in their image.

so why would anyone with the notion of helping mankind subscribe to a religion?

[Wild Cobra]

so why would anyone with the notion of helping mankind subscribe to a religion?

I don't have a good answer to that at all. I think it comes more down to people needing to believe that there is more after we are dead. Isn't the thought of death, with nothing afterwards, a bit scary?

One can say that religion was created by man to control the masses. I don't believe this angle, but I do solidly believe that the Greek and English versions of the Christianity word are tainted with intentional misinterpretations for that purpose.

That said, I do believe that higher beings, in a plural sense, actually exist. I just have doubt that they are as they are perceived by the human imagination when creating their image from scripture.

[Blake]

I don't have a good answer to that at all.

Nobody does.

Atheism #1.

I think it comes more down to people needing to believe that there is more after we are dead. Isn't the thought of death, with nothing afterwards, a bit scary?

Yeah it can be.

But I'm not going to make up something regarding an afterlife just to calm those fears.

That's for kids and emotional weaklings.

[wut]

To me, atheism is about denying religion, a way to not feel guilty about your conscience. Anyone who really believes the universe and everything in it was created from nothingness is denying logic. I'd like someone to prove Atheism, instead of asking people to prove God.

Also, religion is not inherently bad, and regardless of the religion, the truth is evil exists with or without religion, because humans are inherently selfish.

So to the point of the question, which religion is best to "advance society"? The questions is loaded.

Advancement is a relative term, and to me advancement might be teaching kids what right and wrong is, and that human lives have value. Teaching people not to steal. Teaching people not to covet thy neighbor's possessions (oil rich countries anyone?). If these sound a little familiar, it's because they're the teachings of Christianity; but I know they may sound foreign to some because we stopped teaching them in public.

our selfishness is what makes us an immoral nation, so while you might think our society is "advancing" by increasingly separating from religion...I think the opposite.

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah it can be.

But I'm not going to make up something regarding an afterlife just to calm those fears.

That's for kids and emotional weaklings.

Well, there is probably one good reason people have such strong faith. I've had spiritual experiences. Now I don't attribute these experiences to a God, but have no doubt that we have a spiritual form. Believing as I do, I will never be one to deny that the Gods exist. I just don't believe in or worship any particular God. From my experience, it's easy to understand that people hear the word of a religion, be it Christianity, Islam, pagan, or whatever, and understand why they have a strong faith. I am in no position to say they are wrong.

[Blake]

To me, atheism is about denying religion, a way to not feel guilty about your conscience. Anyone who really believes the universe and everything in it was created from nothingness is denying logic. I'd like someone to prove Atheism, instead of asking people to prove God.

So God created himself from nothing?

I'll prove atheism after you disprove the flying spaghetti monster

Also, religion is not inherently bad, and regardless of the religion, the truth is evil exists with or without religion, because humans are inherently selfish.

So to the point of the question, which religion is best to "advance society"? The questions is loaded.

good also exists without religion.

Thanks for helping confirm religion is useless.

Advancement is a relative term, and to me advancement might be teaching kids what right and wrong is, and that human lives have value. Teaching people not to steal. Teaching people not to covet thy neighbor's possessions (oil rich countries anyone?). If these sound a little familiar, it's because they're the teachings of Christianity; but I know they may sound foreign to some because we stopped teaching them in public.

our selfishness is what makes us an immoral nation, so while you might think our society is "advancing" by increasingly separating from religion...I think the opposite.

Christianity also teaches gays should be killed.

barbaric and immoral, tbh.

[Blake]

Well, there is probably one good reason people have such strong faith. I've had spiritual experiences. Now I don't attribute these experiences to a God, but have no doubt that we have a spiritual form. Believing as I do, I will never be one to deny that the Gods exist. I just don't believe in or worship any particular God. From my experience, it's easy to understand that people hear the word of a religion, be it Christianity, Islam, pagan, or whatever, and understand why they have a strong faith. I am in no position to say they are wrong.

Interesting.

What makes you think those gods want you to live with them after you die?

[Wild Cobra]

Interesting.

What makes you think those gods want you to live with them after you die?

What did I say that makes you believe that? I have no such belief. I don't know what awaits us after death. I only believe that death is not our end.

[Blake]

What did I say that makes you believe that? I have no such belief.

I don't know what awaits us after death. I only believe that death is not our end.

so you illogically and irrationally fantasize about an after life, but stop short of details? If it were me, I'd go all out in my fantasy of heaven.

whatever gets you through the fear, I guess.

[Wild Cobra]

so you illogically and irrationally fantasize about an after life, but stop short of details? If it were me, I'd go all out in my fantasy of heaven.

whatever gets you through the fear, I guess.

I take it that you have never had a spiritual experience.

[Blake]

I take it that you have never had a spiritual experience.

unless you can prove yours, I'm going to take it that you haven't had one either.

[DMX7]

I didn't say that. What I said was, if atheists remain as intent on violating the first amendment rights of others' to freely express their religion, perhaps they should start their own country.

How exactly are atheists intent on violating the first amendment rights of others?

Faith is personal but, for the sake of this argument, I'd say those who believe in God have done more to advance society than those who don't.

Ignorant, overgeneralized, quixotic, right-wing fantasy...

[Wild Cobra]

unless you can prove it, I'm going to take it that you haven't had one either.

I can't prove something like that. It was my experience. How does one prove such a ting?

I will take you response as a "no" to my question.

[DMX7]

I take it that you have never had a spiritual experience.

I have, and then I started thinking rationally.