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    Nice walk back, boutons.

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    Nice walk back, boutons.
    thank you

    Gardisil is bull , BigPharma scam, like statins, and flu vaccines.

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    Another thread full of people unaware of the dangers of DHMO.
    the MSDS

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    "useless snake oil"

    so you agree or disagree with his stats on vaccines?

    I don't know anything about his snake oil. What proof do you have that your slander is fact?


    He takes a starting stat and then does some very dishonest handwaving that obviously demonstrates that he knows very little about epidemiology.

    So, yes, I would disagree on his stats.

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    I think part of RandomGuy's point is people are quick to say "Of course Big Pharma is lying! They have so much to gain!" but they don't apply this same logic to these 'natural health' quacks who also stand to gain financially from the fear mongering and lies. If people are so interested in the 'truth', then read up on the data and make your own conclusions. But people always want the easy way out - use a quack to discredit another quack.
    And that is exactly what boutons did.

    Step 1: Present information from a "natural medicine" salesman about how bad competing products are, and how good his products are.

    From a newsletter by Bob Reagan, newmarkethealth.com


    Step 2: assume that "big pharma" only does X to make money, with no scientific basis underlying, no proof provided about motive or efficacy


    flu vaccines are a huge BigPharma marketing scam, aided and abetted by captured-regulators CDC, NIH, etc.

    When confronted with the very reasonable assertion that the "proof" presented was little more than a sales brochure... fall back on...

    "useless snake oil"

    so you agree or disagree with his stats on vaccines?

    I don't know anything about his snake oil. What proof do you have that your slander is fact?

    Sorry B-man. Science and reason don't support you here.

    Large business does a lot of ing underhanded and repulsive things, but overall, vaccines don't fall into that category.

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    you want snake oil?

    7 Drugs Whose Dangerous Risks Emerged Only After Big Pharma Made Its Money


    http://www.alternet.org/personal-hea...made-its-money

    That is something big pharma is definitely guilty of, and additionally the post about how they hide results and skew trials their way is also valid.

    Alternet generally has an agenda, but in this case they just assembled a case from credible sources, and not entirely in a dishonest way.

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    Anything and everything big Pharma produces is poison.


    Another Bout Mantra requiring impossible extrication.
    Dig a hole, fall in, stay there.

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    The United States might see the highest number of cases of whooping cough in more than five decades this year, possibly caused by a weaker vaccine, many experts say.
    The Diphtheria, Tetanus, acellular Pertussis (DTaP) vaccine for children has not been as effective in protecting against whooping cough as the older version that was available nearly two decades ago, according to a study published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    19,450 cases of whooping cough, also known as pertussis, have been reported so far in the United States, compared to nearly 8,579 cases seen this time last year, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    As many as 95 percent of whooping cough cases might result from the waning immunity of people who were initially vaccinated but have not gotten the booster vaccine, according to Dr. William Schaffner, chairman of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn.


    The original vaccine, which contained a small amount of inactivated whole bacteria, was a crude form that brought with it side effects like fever and swelling at the injection site,
    but it was considered lifelong lasting at preventing the disease. In the late 1990s, it was subs uted for a so-called cleaner vaccine that only used small particles of the bacteria and was considered safer but might not be as effective long term.


    "That makes getting the booster shot more important," Schaffner said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellnes...ry?id=16898211

    hmm, the new, improved vaccine doesn't work as well, doesn't work as long, so you BigPharma can sell you more shots.



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    Thank you for sharing.

    Get the word out!

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    Big Hydrogen!!!

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    you want snake oil?

    7 Drugs Whose Dangerous Risks Emerged Only After Big Pharma Made Its Money


    http://www.alternet.org/personal-hea...made-its-money

    Individual drugs are not equivalent to vaccines in general.

    Vaccines are very often money losers to the companies that make them.

    The analogy fails.

    Do you think vaccines cause autism?

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    Thank you for sharing.

    Get the word out!
    Holy crap, are they putting that in our WATER?

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    The danger is not for the children who have been vaccinated. It's more for the child that has not," she said. And while the percent increases in vaccine exemptions in San Antonio schools is startling, unvaccinated students are among a very small minority.
    Read More at: http://www.news4sanantonio.com/news/...ools-285.shtml

    Is it child abuse to not vaccinate your kids?

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    The idea that every single medical mind in the field, or approaching 100% of them, is in on some elaborate ploy to siphon money from wallets using vaccines that saves the lives of children approaches levels of absurdity that just aren't quantifiable. The thought that an entire scientific community is vindictively targeting the entire population of the world with harmful doses of medicine... how the do you function on a day to day basis? Why would you trust anything? Why would you trust the food that comes off the shelves of a grocery store? It's self-delusion to the nth degree.

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    The idea that every single medical mind in the field, or approaching 100% of them, is in on some elaborate ploy to siphon money from wallets using vaccines that saves the lives of children approaches levels of absurdity that just aren't quantifiable. The thought that an entire scientific community is vindictively targeting the entire population of the world with harmful doses of medicine... how the do you function on a day to day basis? Why would you trust anything? Why would you trust the food that comes off the shelves of a grocery store? It's self-delusion to the nth degree.
    It is quite an amazing phenomena.

    You can line all the doctors you want and I still won't believe... WTF?
    That lady is proud to say she has no need for the truth.
    You can't make me believe so there...

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    It is quite an amazing phenomena.

    You can line all the doctors you want and I still won't believe... WTF?
    That lady is proud to say she has no need for the truth.
    You can't make me believe so there...
    They should just come out and say that they believe doctors want to kill their kids.

    And yet, if they get sick or have a broken arm, guess who they take them to?

    It's ing daft.

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    i hadn't watched the daily show in a while, and i randomly decided to tune in and saw that bit. great stuff

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    Funny how the Repugs LOVE govt/authoritarian/SCIENTIFIC FORCED vaccination regulations.

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    Funny how the Repugs LOVE govt/authoritarian/SCIENTIFIC FORCED vaccination regulations.
    flu vaccines are a huge BigPharma marketing scam, aided and abetted by captured-regulators CDC, NIH, etc.
    Rich in Vitamin I.

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