Refute each point Uriel made. Where's is he wrong about Repugs?
just a disclaimer... cotton belt republicans are probably the most terrifying politicians in the US
like i've said, i'm not a fan of the GOP, but this notion that just constantly electing democrats is going to fix everything is seriously flawed. i think the 2 party system is broken, and we're going to have ty politics until further notice. i prefer more turnover in general though. once any one of these gots is in office for too long, they get really big headed
I wouldn't say every Democrat in Congress believes in God. In fact, I'm almost certain that there are atheists among them who just don't declare it openly because of the repercussions that would follow. Same reason why I suspect Obama is a closet atheist.
And regardless of whether or not they deny evolution in their official platform, they certainly support creationism in it. In addition, several prominent Republicans deny evolution, as does much of its base.
that's all horse speculation though. there is 1 muslim congressman, about 30-35 jewish, and the rest are christian. all claim to believe in god. if you say "well i think there are closet atheist democrats" then you could apply the same baseless speculation on republicans.
and it has nothing to do with evolution... the pope believes in evolution ffs.
I actually agree with you there. Obviously the notion that "constantly electing Democrats is going to fix everything" is utterly ridiculous; the two party system is there to check the excesses of the other, and to that extent, Republicans are useful. But there comes a certain point when, extremism and blind ideology completely dominates one party into sheer madness. The Democrats were that party in the 1980's, until they underwent serious internal reform in the form of the "New Democrats" in the 1990's. The Republican Party is now the one in need of serious reform.just a disclaimer... cotton belt republicans are probably the most terrifying politicians in the US
like i've said, i'm not a fan of the GOP, but this notion that just constantly electing democrats is going to fix everything is seriously flawed. i think the 2 party system is broken, and we're going to have ty politics until further notice. i prefer more turnover in general though. once any one of these gots is in office for too long, they get really big headed
obama said in an interview that he goes to church every week
tbqh i think this is equally accurate to both parties
That's true, of course. But I think it's far more likely that the atheists are on the left (or at least the centre), and certainly not on the right. Don't you agree?
The Pope would vote Democrat if here were an American. He supports marriage equality, evolution, the Big Bang. He even said atheists could be "redeemed." Pope Francis (and most Jesuits generally) are liberal through and through.
i think voting for a party because of views on evolution/big bang is moronic when it comes to national elections. its not like evolution was banned from schools during the bush years
state politics matter more for that, since they control education
He also said he was strongly influenced by his father's atheism and was not religious in a memoir he wrote before he decided to run for public office (which is, of course, a reliable barometer of a person's true beliefs).obama said in an interview that he goes to church every week
Besides, the mere fact that Obama is obviously intelligent and well-educated strongly suggest that he is likely to be an atheist.
yeah but obama cites his mother's religion as more influential
I agree. I already wrote before that I don't think social issues should decide elections.i think voting for a party because of views on evolution/big bang is moronic when it comes to national elections. its not like evolution was banned from schools during the bush years
state politics matter more for that, since they control education
republicans chop taxes for everyboy
none of these issues you brought up favor democrats over republicans for the worse-off
things like 'increasing minimum wage' make it seem fine and dandy for "lower class america" but it only benefits minimum wage workers and s over the rest of the working class... stricter insurance plans like we saw in obamacare over small businesses that have multiple employees, etc, which people have felt firsthand. this is why i was criticizing you for going with slogans instead of actual talking points originally
HIS MOTHER WAS AN ATHEIST. His white grandparents who raised him were ALSO atheists.
How does raising the minimum wage " over" the rest of the working class?
republicans chop taxes for everyboy
none of these issues you brought up favor democrats over republicans for the worse-off
things like 'increasing minimum wage' make it seem fine and dandy for "lower class america" but it only benefits minimum wage workers and s over the rest of the working class... stricter insurance plans like we saw in obamacare over small businesses that have multiple employees, etc, which people have felt firsthand. this is why i was criticizing you for going with slogans instead of actual talking points originally
Besides, Obamacare actually helps the working class, which is the great irony of this topic. White working-class voters support Republican officials who want to take away their healthcare.
My father was from Kenya and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam.HIS MOTHER WAS AN ATHEIST. His white grandparents who raised him were ALSO atheists.
as long as we aren't talking about multi-million dollar enterprises, increasing wages means less $ to go around. layoffs, cuts in shift hours, etc. i was a victim of this when i worked at a frozen yogurt shop
how, exactly?Besides, Obamacare actually helps the working class, which is the great irony of this topic. White working-class voters support Republican officials who want to take away their healthcare.
Ann Dunham (Obama's mother)'s daughter, Maya Soetoro-Ng, when asked later if her mother was an atheist, said, "I wouldn't have called her an atheist. She was an agnostic. She basically gave us all the good books—the Bible, the Hindu Upanishads and the Buddhist scripture, the Tao Te Ching—and wanted us to recognize that everyone has something beautiful to contribute."[35] "Jesus, she felt, was a wonderful example. But she felt that a lot of Christians behaved in un-Christian ways."[69] On the other hand, Maxine Box, Dunham's best friend in high school, said that Dunham "touted herself [then] as an atheist, and it was something she'd read about and could argue. She was always challenging and arguing and comparing. She was already thinking about things that the rest of us hadn't."[
eh, i dont think obama is actually very religious, so im not going to drag this on
but its all pure speculation and for all we know could be true about GOP members too. but as of now all of them are openly religious, so imo its unfair to call one party pro-religious and the other pro-atheist
just by saying "obama appears intelligent and is educated, and is thus likely atheist"... you can use that same criteria to say a lot of elected republicans are atheists, unless you contend that all republicans in office are unintelligent and uneducated
I've read your post multiple times, but I still don't see how it " s over" the working class. Maybe it s over other low skilled labourers looking for a minimum wage job by reducing employment rates. But it doesn't " over" the working-class.as long as we aren't talking about multi-million dollar enterprises, increasing wages means less $ to go around. layoffs, cuts in shift hours, etc. i was a victim of this when i worked at a frozen yogurt shop
ObamaCare has exponentially increased the number of Americans who have health insurance, including working-class Americans who previously did not have access to it. Republicans, whose base consists of working-class whites, want to repeal ObamaCare. So working-class white Americans are voting for politicians who want to kill a system that gives them access to health insurance.how exactly?
EDIT: What the , SpursTalk removed my reply to your other post......
yeah i was mostly talking about low skilled laborers looking for entry level work being affected, as well as small business owners. its not going to realistically affect the giant corporations like your wal-marts and such, 49% of private sector employment is from small business anyway
i think some good came out of obamacare. better mandated coverage for women, and the ability to get insured for pre-existing conditions. but the fact that in "insures more americans than before" is just due to it being a mandate/tax. heck, the supreme court only found obamacare to be cons utional because they determined it was a taxObamaCare has exponentially increased the number of Americans who have health insurance, including working-class Americans who previously did not have access to it. Republicans, whose base consists of working-class whites, want to repeal ObamaCare. So working-class white Americans are voting for politicians who want to kill a system that gives them access to health insurance.
I wrote a long and detailed reply to this, but I'm too lazy to re-type it. The bottom line is, yes, there definitely are pro-science Republicans, but there are more pro-science people on the Left and more anti-science people on the Right. That's just the way their political ideologies are constructed.eh, i dont think obama is actually very religious, so im not going to drag this on
but its all pure speculation and for all we know could be true about GOP members too. but as of now all of them are openly religious, so imo its unfair to call one party pro-religious and the other pro-atheist
just by saying "obama appears intelligent and is educated, and is thus likely atheist"... you can use that same criteria to say a lot of elected republicans are atheists, unless you contend that all republicans in office are unintelligent and uneducated
The fact that Huntsman, a Republican presidential candidate, had to write "call me crazy" in that tweet just goes to show how far off the rails his party has gone off on this issue.
if you wanted a better target, theres Paul Broun
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