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    Animosity Towards Affordable Care Act Is Hard To Fathom

    all the other industrialized democracies ensure that the vast majority of their citizens have access to medical care, and none of those nations have gone up in smoke. They endure, with populations who are at least as healthy as Americans and who pay much less for their doctor’s visits and medicines.

    conservatives have railed against an expanding social safety net at least as far back as Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, which birthed the Social Security system to prevent old-age penury. The campaign to create Medicare brought similar warnings of dire consequences, with no less a true-blue conservative than Ronald Reagan insisting that it would put the country on the slippery slope to socialism.

    In a recorded message, he told listeners that if they didn’t oppose the creation of government-sponsored health care for retirees, “one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.

    As you know, none of those dire predictions came to pass, and both Social Security and Medicare are wildly popular. Still, that hasn’t stopped a certain mind-bending cognitive dissonance: Many in the Republican Party’s Tea Party camp, where Obamacare is regarded as the devil’s own handiwork, are themselves beneficiaries of Medicare, which is closer to socialism than virtually any other government program. Go figure.

    Among conservative intellectuals, it’s popular to pretend that Republicans will eventually replace Obamacare with a much better program that would promote affordable health care without any of the alleged flaws of the current law.

    But the most honest among them admit that congressional Republicans have no current plan to replace Obamacare, only to repeal it.

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/animosit...ard-to-fathom/




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    GOP Biggest Fear Occurring–Republicans Loving Obamacare


    Anyone wondering why the Right Wing Tea Party Republicans are in a frenzy, one need only see what is happening now that the reality of the Affordable Care Act is emerging. The lies they told are coming back to bite them.

    They are attempting to discourage young American citizens from going to the exchanges by telling them Obamacare will either be too expensive or an intrusion from the government. Good things are happening however. Inasmuch as the Right Wing is being outright destructive with the nation’s economy in the attempt to derail Obamacare, empirical and factual data is proven to be a hindrance to their obstructionist tactics.

    The State Health Bureaucracy in Texas is actually promoting Obamacare. That is a feat in its own right. On October 1st, the Obamacare health exchange servers were overwhelmed because of the inordinately large number of people accessing it.


    The coup de grace however is the stories that are now coming out of Republicans going onto the exchanges and realizing that they had been lied to. This was the case with Republican Butch Matthews, a 61-year-old former small business owner from Little Rock, Arkansas. ThinkProgress reports that,


    Butch Matthews is a 61-year-old former small business owner from Little Rock, Arkansas who used to wake up every morning at 4 A.M. to deliver canned beverages to retailers before retiring in 2010. A lifelong Republican, he was heavily skeptical of the Affordable Care Act when it first passed. “I did not think that Obamacare was going to be a good plan, I did not think that it was going to help me at all,” he told ThinkProgress over the phone.

    But after doing a little research, Matthews eventually realized how much the law could help him. And on Tuesday, his local Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) provider confirmed that he would be able to buy a far better plan than his current policy while saving at least $13,000 per year through Arkansas’ Obamacare marketplace. [Source]
    Turns out pre-Obamacare, Matthews was paying $1069.per month with a $10,000 deductible. Matthews’ doctor visits went from a co-pay of $150 to $8. Matthews has a simple message to all Americans. He says,

    I would tell them to learn more about it before they start talking bad about it,” he noted. “Be more informed, get more information, take your time and study and not just go by just what you hear on one side or the other. Actually check the facts on it. [Source]

    This story is not unlike Clint Murphy’s story. Murphy is a 38 year old Republican operative. He worked for Republican US Senator Paul Coverdell in the 1990s, Republican Casey Cagle in 2006, John McCain in 2008, and Republican Karen Handel’s gubernatorial campaign in 2010. He has come to his senses and simply could not wait for the exchanges to open.


    Neither of these guys has given up on their Conservative ideology. They are Republicans. The difference is unlike Right Wing Tea Party Republicans, they are honest and pragmatic. They are willing to let the truth lead. The Tea Party realizes that their credibility is coming to an end for most Americans.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...ving-Obamacare



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    No, The Fact That People Aren’t Immediately Signing Up For Obamacare Doesn’t Mean It’s Failing


    So the best example we have is actually Massachusetts, where they have a similar program. And what happened there is that the actual sign-up rate started fairly slowly, partly because people didn’t want to pay three or four months ahead of when they would get insurance. But the interest, their ability to window shop, identify what’s going to work for them, what suits their pocketbook, what kinds of tax credits they can get — that’s already happening. And what we know is that for at least 60 percent of the people who visit that site, they’re going to be able to get good-quality health insurance for less than their cellphone or cable bill. And that is something that is — a lot of people, understandably, recognize is going to give them the kind of security they haven’t had before.



    more than half of the seniors who signed up for Medicare Part D didn’t do so until after the initial enrollment period and enrolled despite the Bush administration’s well-publicized initial glitches in extending coverage to low-income beneficiaries.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...its-failing-2/

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    the POS website was completely broken from the get go. took me 3 days to even be able to start an account, but I have never been able to log in.

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    OMG, this is sad



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    but you're thrilled, amused, and gloating over the startup difficulties.

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    what i find hilarious is how strung to party lines some of you are. those who associate themselves with the democratic party seem to have the urge to defend every single action every taken by a democrat, even those that are glaringly wrong, and same with republiconservatives. get your heads out of your asses

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    Dems actually try to govern, so I give them slack, not defend every single action. (I'd love to know which PRIVATE FREE-MARKET For-PROFIT CONTRACTOR ed up the Federal exchange software.)

    Repugs intentionally, willfuly misgovern when they have the chance, and try to the Dems' attempt to govern, so I say 'em.

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    the polarization of the parties makes it too black or white. its gotten to the point where i'd be embarrassed to actually associate myself with one of them. it also s up the presidential elections, since every democrat running for office will be a carbon copy of the last, and same with republicans. they have to adhere strictly to bull party lines or else their own party won't support them. party lines are whats ing congress right now. i'm sure there are some dems that aren't pleased with obamacare, but they voted for it to adhere to party lines, and vice versa with republicans

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    the polarization of the parties makes it too black or white. its gotten to the point where i'd be embarrassed to actually associate myself with one of them. it also s up the presidential elections, since every democrat running for office will be a carbon copy of the last, and same with republicans. they have to adhere strictly to bull party lines or else their own party won't support them. party lines are whats ing congress right now. i'm sure there are some dems that aren't pleased with obamacare, but they voted for it to adhere to party lines, and vice versa with republicans
    the smash-mouth, divisive polarization is almost completely due to the VRWC and Repugs starting with Pappy Bush's campaign, and then really accelerated after Clinton won in 92 (unending witch hunt for 8 years) then Gingrich's gang got control of Congress in 94 and shut down the govt because Clinton wouldn't let Gingrich come to the front of the plane and made him get off out the back door.

    There's simply no equivalence between the today's tea baggers on the right and any Dems on the left, NONE!

    The Repugs are purifying, driving out any Repug that isn't extreme. NOTHING like that on the Dem side. Moderate and moderate-right Repugs are retiring and being primared by Kock Bros if they don't vote with the tea bagger assholes.
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    "A mandate means that in some fashion, everybody will be forced to buy health insurance. ... But I believe the problem is not that folks are trying to avoid getting health care. The problem is they can't afford it. And that's why my plan emphasizes lowering costs." -Obama 2008


    'if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house, the reason they don't buy a house is they don't have the money'" -Obama 2008



    2008 Obama TV ads against mandates

    "Hillary Clinton's attacking, but what's she not telling you about her health care plan? It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don't,"


    At one campaign stop, Clinton waived the mailers and declared, "Shame on you, Barack Obama!"


    "Meet me in Ohio," she added. "Let's have a debate about your tactics and your behavior in this campaign."


    sheeple

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    Lol of course blaming all problems on the other party

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    Lol of course blaming all problems on the other party
    give me examples of extreme Dems who correspond to these assholes:

    Broun
    Gohmert
    Bachmann
    Cruz
    Issa
    Cantor
    Steve King
    etc

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    give me examples of extreme Dems who correspond to these assholes:

    Broun
    Gohmert
    Bachmann
    Cruz
    Issa
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    etc


    Is it extreme to vote against raising the debt limit?

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    Is it extreme to break records for money borrowed and massively increase expenditures as our debt grows exponentially?

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    Is it extreme to vote against raising the debt limit?
    yes, it has never been blocked EVER before 2011. raised 7 TIMES under dubya without a wimper

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    Is it extreme to break records for money borrowed and massively increase expenditures as our debt grows exponentially?
    debt is not growing exponentially, try another lie.

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    yes, it has never been blocked EVER before 2011. raised 7 TIMES under dubya without a wimper

    Then what say you about this...

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/debtlimit.asp


    Obama voted against it -- and so did every single Democrat in the Senate


    Extreme, indeed


    EDIT> What qualifies as a whimper?

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    Then what say you about this...

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/debtlimit.asp


    Obama voted against it -- and so did every single Democrat in the Senate


    Extreme, indeed
    but the DEMS didn't EXTORT the country into default

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    but the DEMS didn't EXTORT the country into default

    There's only one group saying default is even a possibility.


    By the way, I love how you guys have conveniently forgotten pre-Obama history.

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    Here's that 2006 vote:

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...vote=00054#top


    Grouped By Vote Position
    YEAs ---52
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Allard (R-CO)
    Allen (R-VA)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Chafee (R-RI)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Coleman (R-MN)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Craig (R-ID)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    DeWine (R-OH)
    Dole (R-NC)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Frist (R-TN)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hagel (R-NE)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Lott (R-MS)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Martinez (R-FL)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Santorum (R-PA)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Smith (R-OR)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Sununu (R-NH)
    Talent (R-MO)
    Thomas (R-WY)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Warner (R-VA)
    NAYs ---48
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Burns (R-MT)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Dayton (D-MN)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Jeffords (I-VT)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (D-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Obama (D-IL)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Salazar (D-CO)
    Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Wyden (D-OR)




    Gawt damned Extremisssstsss

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    Here's that 2006 vote:

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...vote=00054#top


    Grouped By Vote Position
    YEAs ---52
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Allard (R-CO)
    Allen (R-VA)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Chafee (R-RI)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Coleman (R-MN)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Craig (R-ID)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    DeWine (R-OH)
    Dole (R-NC)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Frist (R-TN)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hagel (R-NE)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Lott (R-MS)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Martinez (R-FL)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Santorum (R-PA)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Smith (R-OR)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Sununu (R-NH)
    Talent (R-MO)
    Thomas (R-WY)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Warner (R-VA)
    NAYs ---48
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Burns (R-MT)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Dayton (D-MN)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Jeffords (I-VT)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (D-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Obama (D-IL)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Salazar (D-CO)
    Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Wyden (D-OR)




    Gawt damned Extremisssstsss
    the minority lost, democracy respected, in total contrast to this week's Repug extorting extremists

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    the minority lost, democracy respected, in total contrast to this week's Repug extorting extremists

    I know you keep trying to sell the idea that these "repugs" are extremist nutjobs, but it's not working.

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    Well, unless you concede that the Dems who did the EXACT SAME THING (including lord POTUS) are also extremist nutjobs.


    Full disclosure -- I'm ready for this political theater to be over with so my investments will stop tanking.

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