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    ACB mentioned "severable" a couple weeks ago.

    I guess that's how they will rule, saving ACA, but they could also rule, like Roberts mortally did with Medicaid expansion as state option, to hurt ACA as much as they can w/o killing it.
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    Seems pretty clear that Roberts and beer keg are going rule the mandate uncons utional but they’re not going to gut the rest of the law.

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    Seems pretty clear that Roberts and beer keg are going rule the mandate uncons utional but they’re not going to gut the rest of the law.
    Roberts wanted to last time until Ginsburg traded the Medicaid expansion for it. Now he gets both eliminated.

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    Roberts wanted to last time until Ginsburg traded the Medicaid expansion for it. Now he gets both eliminated.
    Definitely not how it sounded during oral argument today.

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    That theory about trading also doesn’t make sense. Roberts had the votes to gut the entire act in 2010 if he wanted to, and Ginsburg dissented his majority opinion on the Medicaid expansion.

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    Roberts wanted to last time until Ginsburg traded the Medicaid expansion for it. Now he gets both eliminated.
    Roberts is removing his "states option" of Medicaid expansion?

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    Kavanaugh was surprisingly even more demonstrative than Roberts in voicing his displeasure with the idea that SCOTUS was being asked to gut a 900 page law because Republicans intentionally made one of its provisions uncons utional with an amendment. Gorsuch is a wild card on severability, Barett’s questioning was just as stupid and incoherent as Thomas was, while Alito’s questioning was more dishonest and made in bad faith than it was stupid.

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    Kavanaugh was surprisingly even more demonstrative than Roberts in voicing his displeasure with the idea that SCOTUS was being asked to gut a 900 page law because Republicans intentionally made one of its provisions uncons utional with an amendment. Gorsuch is a wild card on severability, Barett’s questioning was just as stupid and incoherent as Thomas was, while Alito’s questioning was more dishonest and made in bad faith than it was stupid.
    The claim is weak because Congress had full capacity to gut the entire law, but they decided to gut just the mandate. That's clear evidence to the court that gutting the law was not what Congress intended.

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    The claim is weak because Congress had full capacity to gut the entire law, but they decided to gut just the mandate. That's clear evidence to the court that gutting the law was not what Congress intended.
    Especially given that not only did Congress have full capacity but it had voted against gutting the law as part of the same session. Gutting the mandate came after it tried to gut the entire law and failed. The fact this case even needed to reach SCOTUS because of a ridiculously corrupt 5th circuit is a joke.

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    Hey, are we going to get to see the affordable, wonderful Republican health care plan?

    Is it still two weeks away?

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    Hey, are we going to get to see the affordable, wonderful Republican health care plan?

    Is it still two weeks away?
    If there is anyone I expect to see a Republican healthcare plan out of, it's ing Biden. So maybe 3 weeks out.

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    If there is anyone I expect to see a Republican healthcare plan out of, it's ing Biden. So maybe 3 weeks out.
    Damn, dude.

    Welcome back to the bummer universe. It's like we never left.

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    Damn, dude.

    Welcome back to the bummer universe. It's like we never left.
    I have no illusions whatsoever about Biden. He'll be a terrible president, likely one of the worst, just way less ty than Trump.


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    I have no illusions whatsoever about Biden. He'll be a terrible president, likely one of the worst, just way less ty than Trump.

    Very similar to my intuition about Biden.

    My basic fear is that Biden will be so bad he will be succeeded by a slicker, smarter fascist than Trump.

    The time to hoist the black flag and start slitting throats might be much sooner than I thought.

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    (relax, y'all, that's an allusion to HL Mencken.)

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    jk/not kidding

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    Very similar to my intuition about Biden.

    My basic fear is that Biden will be so bad he will be succeeded by a slicker, smarter fascist than Trump.

    The time to hoist the black flag and start slitting throats might be much sooner than I thought.
    I don't think you should underestimate Trump's skill with engineering his media coverage, his celebrity, and his ability to con people. And how smart was Hitler? Trump is the fascist that's going to keep engineering stochastic terrorism from the right these next four years, Trump is the real threat to win in 2024 and choke the last gasps of democracy out of this nation. Trump is the clear and present danger. You underestimate how slick a fascist Trump is; he learned from one of the best in Roy Cohn.

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    I don't think you should underestimate Trump's skill with engineering his media coverage, his celebrity, and his ability to con people. And how smart was Hitler? Trump is the fascist that's going to keep engineering stochastic terrorism from the right these next four years, Trump is the real threat to win in 2024 and choke the last gasps of democracy out of this nation. Trump is the clear and present avorite in 2024.danger. You underestimate how slick a fascist Trump is; he learned from one of the best in Roy Cohn.
    I have my doubts Trump's egotism and malice will keep him alive much longer. He looks terrible.

    You could be right, though. If he survives, he's the odds on favorite in 2024.

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    I have my doubts Trump's egotism and malice will keep him alive much longer. He looks terrible.

    You could be right, though. If he survives, he's the odds on favorite in 2024.
    I'd be absolutely floored if Trump is alive and not the GOP nominee in 2024.

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    Since Trash became their candidate, the other Repugs have been terrified of Trash's cult mob, now 74M voters, have sat silently in complicity with Trash's lawlessness, while staffing Trash's Exec with the oligarchy's kakistocracy.

    The oligarchy is more powerful, wealtheir by $Ts, with many 100Ks diseased and dead Americans and a collapsing environment.

    If Trash talks about 2024, he will freeze out all compe ion

    Best for the world is if Trash is incapacitated.

    However, pretenders will pander to Trash's 74M with traditional Republicanism of Euro-white (Christian) male supremacy and all that derives from it.

    Oligarchy owns SCOTUS.

    The next time Repugs control Congress and WH, all three branches, will be formal end of the Myth of American democracy, which will degrade further, into a one-party authoritarianism.

    America is ed and un able.

    There's nothing citizens can do to stop the oligarchy.
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