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    you wish state and local regulation were strong enough to enforce public safety, or, that it ought to have been.

    given that it clearly isn't, wouldn't you say more federal oversight is called for?

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    Clearly the local regulators were too close to the business. WC making a good argument for federal oversight.
    Not at all. However, I hope the people responsible need to be held accountable. Investigate why it happened. There might have been a payoff, it could have been incompetence, it could have been poor regulations, or something else yet. Find out what happened and fix it. Prosecute or fire someone if the investigation warrants it.

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    how does one fix the problem of energy lobbyists regulating the energy sector?

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    you wish state and local regulation were strong enough to enforce public safety, or, that it ought to have been.

    given that it clearly isn't, wouldn't you say more federal oversight is called for?
    No.

    I see no need for such a thing to happen.

    Are you using such things for an excuse to make this nation more totalitarian?

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    Not at all. However, I hope the people responsible need to be held accountable. Investigate why it happened. There might have been a payoff, it could have been incompetence, it could have been poor regulations, or something else yet. Find out what happened and fix it. Prosecute or fire someone if the investigation warrants it.
    Including, presumably, the officers of the company, whose negligence both in constructing and maintaining the waste pond led to the accident. Right?

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    how does one fix the problem of energy lobbyists regulating the energy sector?
    Put the corruptible people, and the people buying them, in jail. Or at the very least, make them pay their wealth to cleanups when they are needed.

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    No.

    I see no need for such a thing to happen.

    Are you using such things for an excuse to make this nation more totalitarian?
    Not at all. Just trying to follow your train of thought.

    You're the one who suggested local authorities weren't getting it done.

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    Including, presumably, the officers of the company, whose negligence both in constructing and maintaining the waste pond led to the accident. Right?
    People who are responsible for faulty designs are fired in corporation. We need to do the same to government employees.

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    Put the corruptible people, and the people buying them, in jail. Or at the very least, make them pay their wealth to cleanups when they are needed.
    be nice if corporate officers were separately liable for the egregious negligence and misconduct of the companies they run, but oddly, it seldom works out that way.

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    Not at all. Just trying to follow your train of thought.

    You're the one who suggested local authorities weren't getting it done.
    In this case, yes. They really blew it. I don't know how old that pond was, but an investigation needs to be done, and hold the responsible parties accountable.

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    be nice if corporate officers were separately liable for the egregious negligence and misconduct of the companies they run, but oddly, it seldom works out that way.
    Engineers come and go for such reasons. The level of corruption you imply is why we have whistle blower laws.

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    I don't know how old that pond was, but an investigation needs to be done, and hold the responsible parties accountable.
    including Duke Energy, if misconduct or negligence is revealed?

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    Engineers come and go for such reasons.
    meant corporate directors and officers and such. technical coolies like engineers naturally come and go.

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    including Duke Energy, if misconduct or negligence is revealed?
    If it's their negligence, then yes. make them pay for it. If someone authorized a payoff for a permit that would otherwise not be granted, then you have at least two people to put in jail and/or drain them of all their net worth.

    make an example of these people so others don't want to do the same.

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    meant corporate directors and officers and such. technical coolies like engineers naturally come and go.
    When a head engineer approves a design, he should lose his job if the design was faulty and cause such an incident. Things like this do happen. Companies fire such people for incompetence regularly.

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    then you have at least two people to put in jail and/or drain them of all their net worth.
    you think we should put polluters in jail?

    whoa. radical.

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    meant corporate directors and officers and such.
    Again, whistle blower laws.

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    you think we should put polluters in jail?

    whoa. radical.
    Is it intentional or accidental?

    Accidental, no, but still hold responsible.

    Something serious and intentional? I'm OK with a firing squad.

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    I'm OK with a firing squad.

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    Is it intentional or accidental?

    Accidental, no, but still hold responsible.

    Something serious and intentional? I'm OK with a firing squad.
    What if it was just a Duke chief/director leaning on one of his republican friends in the legislature that got the permit expedited without the proper due diligence? What then?

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    Again, whistle blower laws.
    and what do you do when no one blows the whistle on their own employer?

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    who or what protects public health and the environment then?

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    and what do you do when no one blows the whistle on their own employer?
    the perp escapes punishment. Corporate-Americans skate free, poor Human-Americans get screwed.

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    What if it was just a Duke chief/director leaning on one of his republican friends in the legislature that got the permit expedited without the proper due diligence? What then?
    I'm not going to respond to all possibilities. I think my point is well taken. this shows you obviously think I'm going to defend a republican from corruption. No, I will not.

    At least take both of their net worth if it takes that much money to help fix the problem.

    Must I remind you what I have said several time? I don't like most politicians, and I normally only vote republican as the lesser of two evils. You would be wise not to think I blindly support any of them.

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    and what do you do when no one blows the whistle on their own employer?
    I never claimed we lived in a perfect world.

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