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    OK, but what happens when not everyone makes the cut? How can you decide who will be qualified to become a doctor beforehand?
    how about making the grades in college and professional school, just like now?

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    how about making the grades in college and professional school, just like now?
    LOL...

    Can you see the future as to if they are going to "make the grade" before they are given the money?

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    LOL...

    Can you see the future as to if they are going to "make the grade" before they are given the money?
    If they don't make the grade and don't work for/quit the govt, then they are saddled with the loan, just like any other student.

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    If they don't make the grade and don't work for/quit the govt, then they are saddled with the loan, just like any other student.
    Ok, so you are going to limit loans to the number of projected jobs available, right?

    Limit choices.

    Limit compe iveness.

    Lowering the compe ive bar also lowers expectation and excellence.

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    Ok, so you are going to limit loans to the number of projected jobs available, right?

    Limit choices.

    Limit compe iveness.

    Lowering the compe ive bar also lowers expectation and excellence.
    wow, you are ing stupid

    I said nothing about "limiting loans"

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    wow, you are ing stupid

    I said nothing about "limiting loans"
    Ok, then what?

    You make 20,000 loans for 10,000 jobs. 2,000 don't cut the mus . What do you do with the 8,000 who don't have jobs?

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    why would the govt make 20K loans to fill 10K jobs? damn, you're stupid.

    The prize of getting a free university + professional school diploma and a secure govt job for 20 years should be as compe ive as getting into an the best state/private universities. The assholes can go into the military.

    As we say in the Ivy League, "if you're good enough to get in, you're good enough to stay in" iow, a very tough, compe ive selection process guarantees near 100% success rate.

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    As usual WC is out of his element.

    UAS! UAS! UAS!

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    common sense is usually neither
    So you want a correlative chart only to that correlation does not mean causation?

    Amirite?

    I guess you want proof that making loans more affordable wont add to demand? If so, you'd be an an illogical ass to ask for such a thing, since making loans guaranteed is designed by the govt to specifically increase enrollment in colleges.

    And i guess if your endless consumption of that useless rag ironically named "The Economist" didn't teach you about rise in demands effects on prices, then I nor a hair brained Wild Cobra should entertain your ignorance.


    tl;dr ..Go ing read an economics book.

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    why would the govt make 20K loans to fill 10K jobs? damn, you're stupid.
    I said nothing about "limiting loans"

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    I'm running up my student loans and then skipping overseas

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    So you want a correlative chart only to that correlation does not mean causation?

    Amirite?

    I guess you want proof that making loans more affordable wont add to demand? If so, you'd be an an illogical ass to ask for such a thing, since making loans guaranteed is designed by the govt to specifically increase enrollment in colleges.

    And i guess if your endless consumption of that useless rag ironically named "The Economist" didn't teach you about rise in demands effects on prices, then I nor a hair brained Wild Cobra should entertain your ignorance.


    tl;dr ..Go ing read an economics book.
    The Bennet hypothesis has neither been proven or rejected and to pretend like supply and demand of gaarunteed loans are the only influences is pretty simpleminded.

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    The Bennet hypothesis has neither been proven or rejected and to pretend like supply and demand of gaarunteed loans are the only influences is pretty simpleminded.
    what's simpleminded is creating a strawman. I didn't make such assertion but was responding to a question denying that guaranteed loans don't influence the price of tuition.


    RIF

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    what's simpleminded is creating a strawman. I didn't make such assertion but was responding to a question denying that guaranteed loans don't influence the price of tuition.


    RIF
    You're right. You didn't really say anything. Why bother responding? The reality is the Bennet hypothesis has not been proven so it was perfectly reasonable for WH to respond to WC by asking him to prove his assertion.

    You added no value. Just emotion.

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    Anybody that thinks that guaranteed loans don't influence tuition is ing stupid. Even worse is the huge amount of dollars that "education" mills like ITT Tech suck out of dumb asses that think borrowing $30,000 easy money for a 2 year "associates degree" in "computers" is gonna get them a real job just because they like to play video games.

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    Anybody that thinks that guaranteed loans don't influence tuition is ing stupid. Even worse is the huge amount of dollars that "education" mills like ITT Tech suck out of dumb asses that think borrowing $30,000 easy money for a 2 year "associates degree" in "computers" is gonna get them a real job just because they like to play video games.
    Solid fact based analysis from CC as always....

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    Solid bull from the Pusher as always.

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    Solid bull from the Pusher as always.
    No bull . Bennet floated the hypothesis 30 years ago and it been neither proven nor disproven. Just the facts.

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    How old are you?

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    Why?

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    Seriously. You support these for profit "education" ins utions that rip off the student loan system and then leave their "graduates" two years later floundering around unemployed with a worthless degree?

    Are you an ITT grad?

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    Same goes for the "legitimate" universities that funnel kids through in worthless degree plans. $120K for a "humanities" degree? Give me a ing break. Thats just an example. Those "easy" degree plan lets you party your ass off for 4 years while the university rakes in the cash and you graduate with zero job opportunities.

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    Seriously. You support these for profit "education" ins utions that rip off the student loan system and then leave their "graduates" two years later floundering around unemployed with a worthless degree?

    Are you an ITT grad?
    No. I think those are bull and should be regulated out of existence.

    You and WC both claimed, for all intents and purposes, that the well established Bennet hypothesis has been verified and is basically irrefutable. I was simply pointing out that that is incorrect.

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    I've got a niece that is damn near thirty that she and her boyfriend have been living off student loans for YEARS and she still hasn't graduated with . I'm talking for paying for housing, food, motorcycles, etc. with student loans. The whole game is to pass enough courses to qualify for more loans.

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    I've got a niece that is damn near thirty that she and her boyfriend have been living off student loans for YEARS and she still hasn't graduated with . I'm talking for paying for housing, food, motorcycles, etc. with student loans. The whole game is to pass enough courses to qualify for more loans.
    Your niece and her boyfriend sound like deadbeats.

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