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    It is an absolute truth to me.
    I could find out later that I am wrong.
    But at this time I see no evidence to the contrary.
    What is the evidence supporting it?

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    What is the evidence supporting it?
    Bible freaks work the other way around... they first believe , and don't care about evidence ("without faith it is impossible to please god") then some will stop believing when is debunked aka epilepsy-demon possession sort of thing, but most wont stop believing even if they see evidence.

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    There is a certain amount of truth to that statement IMHO.
    Times change, and so does the morals evolve with the times.
    But God is considered by Christians to be timeless, ergo changeless and morals are considered by Christians to be absolute: what was wrong 3000 years ago is wrong today and so forth. You're saying that's not the case.

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    But God is considered by Christians to be timeless, ergo changeless and morals are considered by Christians to be absolute: what was wrong 3000 years ago is wrong today and so forth. You're saying that's not the case.
    You're generalizing again, saying all Christians believe exactly the same things. This is not true.

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    You're generalizing again, saying all Christians believe exactly the same things. This is not true.
    1. You believe Jesus of Nazareth existed
    2. You believe Jesus of Nazareth died on a cross
    3. You believe Jesus of Nazareth rose from death
    4. You believe John 3:16 to be true and you've accepted Jesus as your personal savior.


    5. You might believe in virgin birth
    6. You might therefore believe in the immaculate conception of Mary

    7. You probably believe that Jesus healed people through faith
    8. You probably believe that Jesus could actually walk on water
    9. You probably believe that Jesus visited
    10. You probably believe that God spoke to Paul of Tarsus.
    11. You probably believe in forgiveness and in the book of the Revelations of John.

    All of that comes from the same book you say is laced with allegory. Still, out of those allegories you extract supernatural things, so why is it necessary to refer to other supernatural events in the book as allegory, and since you've stated that morals evolve, why do you consider the events of the OT that we now consider to be immoral acts, that were commanded by God, to be allegories and not facts?

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    You're generalizing again, saying all Christians believe exactly the same things. This is not true.
    If you have to cherry pick the good stuff out of your book and pretend the bad stuff is just allegory, then your book is untrustworthy from start to finish.

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    As we all can see, those who believe believe, those who don't don't. Nothing said on an internet site is changing . All we come away with is it sucks being an dumbass atheist.

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    As we all can see, those who believe believe, those who don't don't. Nothing said on an internet site is changing . All we come away with is it sucks being an dumbass atheist.
    Why is it so great for you to be a deist?

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    I am perfectly happy without faith in god.

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    I am perfectly happy without faith in god.
    I bet your parents believed in a God, didn't they?

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    As we all can see, those who believe believe, those who don't don't. Nothing said on an internet site is changing . All we come away with is it sucks being an dumbass atheist.
    Actually I don't have these sorts of confrontations in the real world, we all get along and respect each others beliefs and opinions just fine.
    And it doesn't happen on other sites that I frequent on the internet either.
    Nope, this is the only site it happens on IMHO.
    I blame it on fanaticism from both sides of the fence.
    And to be honest it is ONLY the atheists who are getting their panties in an uproar.
    The Christians and other theists could care less and are not getting upset in the slightest.
    In fact most of us are laughing at the atheists for making such a big over exaggerated deal about it.
    What does that tell you about the atheists?

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    I am perfectly happy without faith in god.
    Plenty of miserable religious people in the world as well.

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    I bet your parents believed in a God, didn't they?
    Not my dad. My mom tries to combine her faith with science.

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    Plenty of miserable religious people in the world as well.
    Truth.

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    Plenty of miserable religious people in the world as well.
    You could have fooled me.
    The ones getting all upset and melting down on this site are the atheists.
    Why is that?

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    You could have fooled me.
    The ones getting all upset and melting down on this site are the atheists.
    Why is that?
    Your perception is really out of whack.

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    Not my dad. My mom tries to combine her faith with science.
    I'm pretty sure she succeeds admirably, most of us do, and without much problem at all, in fact it is quite easy.
    It is the atheists on this site who are all upset and melting down.
    None of the rest of us are.
    We Christians and theists on this site are quite content to get along and share what we have to share with those who have open minds and the intelligence and maturity to approach this subject with respect for both sides.
    Isn't that the adult way to go about this?

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    Actually I don't have these sorts of confrontations in the real world, we all get along and respect each others beliefs and opinions just fine.
    And it doesn't happen on other sites that I frequent on the internet either.
    Nope, this is the only site it happens on IMHO.
    I blame it on fanaticism from both sides of the fence.
    And to be honest it is ONLY the atheists who are getting their panties in an uproar.
    The Christians and other theists could care less and are not getting upset in the slightest.
    In fact most of us are laughing at the atheists for making such a big over exaggerated deal about it.
    What does that tell you about the atheists?
    Most those I know who believe take this..."poor misguided folks, you just have to pity them"...pertaining to atheists. While most the ateists I know are chronic complainers and there's always some turmoil going on in their life.

    Notice how the trolls, dummies, leechs here are all atheists? Notice how they have no class and are very limited?

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    I'm pretty sure she succeeds admirably, most of us do, and without much problem at all, in fact it is quite easy.
    It is the atheists on this site who are all upset and melting down.
    None of the rest of us are.
    We Christians and theists on this site are quite content to get along and share what we have to share with those who have open minds and the intelligence and maturity to approach this subject with respect for both sides.
    Isn't that the adult way to go about this?
    Yes. You are very "adult". We could all learn a thing or two from you.

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    Not my dad. My mom tries to combine her faith with science.
    So your mom does believe in God, right? She goes to a church not a lab, right?

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    Your perception is really out of whack.
    Case in point, all upset that someone on here believes in God.
    I could care less whether you do or not.
    But it sure is important to you and your fellow atheists that I and others do.
    Just go back and read any thread about this subject.
    You atheists indict yourselves.

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    I'm not sure that I've seen anyone identify themselves as an atheist. I certainly haven't. I don't see anyone "melting down" either.

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    god is real guys

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    Atheists not capable of being happy according to bible freaks.

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    Case in point, all upset that someone on here believes in God.
    I could care less whether you do or not.
    But it sure is important to you and your fellow atheists that I and others do.
    Just go back and read any thread about this subject.
    You atheists indict yourselves.
    I was referring to your perception of what is happening here on this thread, forum, website et al. Not your perception of existence.

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