...and all those QB's.
Obviously the conference is loaded right now, could be the best as a group...ever~!
Then there's...
Washington....Warren Moon, Mark Brunell
WSU...Drew Bledsoe, Mark Rypien
Oregon...Dan Fouts, Norm Van Brocklin
OSU...Terry Baker
Stanford...John Elway, Jim Plunkett, John Brodie, Andrew Luck, Frankie Albert
Cal...Aaron Rodgers, Steve Bartkowski, Craig Morton, Joe Kapp
UCLA...Troy Aikman, Gary Beban, Billy Kilmer
USC...Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez
Arizona...Nick Foles
ASU...Danny White, Jake Plummer
On a whole other level.
WASU - Tim Rosenbach and Ryan Leaf may have been better college QBs than Bledsoe and Rypien
Washington - Billy Joe Hobert won a national le.
USC - Rodney Peete?
UCLA - Cade McNown was a monster as well
Oregon - Joey Harrington almost led them to the le game
TT beat #4 Cal / Rodgers in the Holiday Bowl rather convincingly.
Every conference can make a list like this.
Not even remotely close to that. Not even in the same ballpark.
Go ahead prove your point.
PAC12
John Elway HOF
Dan Fouts HOF
Warren Moon HOF
Norm Van Brocklin HOF
Troy Aikman HOF
Terry Baker Heisman
Carson Palmer Heisman
Gary Beban Heisman
Matt Leinart Hesman
Jim Plunkett Heisman
Your turn.
Big 12
TEXAS
Bobby Lane
Vince Young
Colt McCoy
James Street
Oklahoma
Sam Bradford
Jason White
Josh Heupel
Troy Aikman
Thomas Lott
CJ Watts
Jamelle Holloway
TCU
Sammy Baugh
Baylor
RGIII
Cody Carlson
Texas Tech
Kliff Kingsbury
Graham Harrell
OSU
Mike Gundy
Brandon Weedon
KSU
Michael Bishop One of best option QBs of all time.
ISU
Senica Wallace
Kansas
Todd Reesing
You're kidding....right?
USC running backs
"Jaguar" Jon Arnett
Frank Gifford
Mike Garrett
Charles White
Marcus Allen
Sam Cunningham
Clarence Davis
Anthony Davis
Ricky Bell
O.J.Smpson
Reggie Bush
Lendale White
no less than...
three NFL Hall of Famers
five Heisman winners
eight NFL 1000 yard rushers
SEC
Bart Staar
Joe Namath
Cam Newton (Heisman)
Pat Sullivan (Heisman)
Peyton Manning
Danny Wuerffel (Heisman)
Tim Tebow (Heisman)
Billy Cannon (Heisman)
George Blanda
Fran Tarketon
Y.A. tle
Johnny Manziel (Heisman)
Steve Spurrier (Heisman)
Aikman doesn't count for OU. Seriously.
What about Reggie Bush? The man was a God there in LALA land.
Talking about QBs.
How about your Hall of Famers?
Starr, Namath, tle, Manning (an obvious lock) Tarkenton, Blanda.
Why no love for Kenny Stabler?
Billy Cannon was a running back.
I listed all the Hall of Famers and Heisman winners. That's why I didn't list Stabler. I did at first but I took him off.
You're right about Canon.
But you have to admit its a damn good list.
Got it!
Yep, damn good list. But the Pac12 is just too good at the top with.....Elway, Rodgers, Moon, Fouts, Aikman.
I like how you change the argument, is it USC or the PAC 12? Just like the Big 12 doesn't match up with the PAC when it comes to QBs the Pac doesn't match up to the Big 12 when it comes to Running backs. Outside of USC there isn't much to offer.
The Big 12 has
Texas
Earl Campbell
Ricky Williams
Cedric Benson
Jamal Charles
Eric Metcalf
Tommie Ford
Chris Gilbert
Roosevelt Leaks
James Saxton
Oklahoma
Adrian Peterson
Billy Simms
Marcus Dupree
Greg Pruitt
Joe Washington
Steve Owens
Mike Gaddis
Oklahoma State
Barry Saunders
Thurman Thomas
Lynn Waldorf
TCU
Ladanian Tomlinson
Kenneth Davis
Jim Swink
Kansas
Gale Sayers
John Riggins
KSU
Lynn ey
Darren Sproles
Texas Tech
James Gray
Bam Morris
Byron Handspare
Baylor
Walter Abercrombie
ISU
Troy Davis
West Virginia
Steve Slaton
Noel Devine
And an EDIT for QBs as TCU also prduced Davey OBrian the namesake of the top QB award.
At least get it right.
ADD....
Texas
Priest Holmes
Texas Tech
Donny Anderson
Kansas
Delvin Wiliams
Curtis McClinton
Oklahoma St
Terry Miller
Oklahoma
Elvis Pea
Joe Don Looney
Mike Thomas
Kansas State
Larry Brown
Baylor
Frank Pollard
Lynn ey is a QB
So only USC has running backs in the PAC12?
NFL 1000 yard rushers *
UCLA
Kenny Washington
Mel Farr
Freeman McNeil*
Gaston Green*
Skip Hicks
Deshaun Foster*
James Owens
Theotis Brown
Wendell Tyler*
Maurice Jones Drew*
Eric Ball
Jonathan Franklin
James McAlister
Karim Abdul Jabbar
Cal
Marshawn Lynch*
Chuck Muncie*
Russell White
Javid Best
Justin Forsett
JJ Arrington
Stanford
Ernie Nevers Hall of Fame
Tony Gerhart
Darrin Nelson
Glyn Milburn
Brad Muster
Arizona
Paul Robinson* first Bengal to gain a 1000 yards
Chuck Levy
Brad Hubbert
Hubie Oliver
Trung Candiate
ASU
Gerald Riggs* Falcons all time leading rusher
Travis Williams
"Mini" Max Anderson
Darryl Clack
Charley Taylor...Hall of Fame as a receiver
Gene Foster
Brent McClanahan
John Henry Joihnson * Hall of Fame
Art Malone
Benny Malone
Woody Green*
Mario Bates*
Washington
Hugh "The King" McElhenny Hall of Fame
Corey Dillion* Bengals all time leading rusher
Napolean Kaufman*
Greg Lewis
Toussaint Tyler
WSU
Ruben Mayes*
Keith Lincoln****
Steve Broussard
Chris Ivory
Mike Pringle
Oregon St
Steven Jackson* Rams all time leading rusher
Paul Lowe* first Charger to gain a 1000 yards
Ken Simonton
Jacquizz Rodgers
Oregon
Mel Renfro.....Hall of Fame as a DB
LaGarrette Blount*
LaMichael James
Rueben Droughns*
Derek Loville
Dino Philyaw
Onterrio Smith
Jonathan Stewart*
Kevin Wilhite
Colorado
Rashaan Salaam* Heisman
Eric Bieniemy
Chris Brown
Tony Reed*
Cullen Bryant
Utah
Jamal Anderson*
Mike Anderson*
Carl Monroe
Charlie Smith
Now add..USC
**** Keith Lincoln was a stud fullback with the Chargers, he would score....
rushing
receiving
passing
kickoff return
punt return
PAT
field goal
Somebody should have warned ya, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
I showed around 30 NFL 1000 yard rushers there, you had less than 15. Ya might wanna rethink things.
PAC12
QB...John Elway
RB...Marcus Allen
RB...O.J.Simpson
WR...James Lofton
WR..Charley Taylor
TE...Tony Gonzalez
All in the Hall of Fame (obviously Gonzalez)
Last edited by Avante; 08-29-2014 at 02:11 AM.
Where the PAC12 is weak is with wide receivers. Which is a bit surprising since no conference throws it around like the PAC12. No need for a list because it's not all that impessive.
The only PAC12 wide receiver up their in the all time stats is Stanfords James Lofton, a track guy(27 foot long jumper)
As we all know Lynn Swann does not belong in the HOF, especially if Cliff Branch isn't there.
At no position do we see so many small schools guys excell than at wide receiver.
Last edited by Avante; 08-28-2014 at 01:44 PM.
Gotta love those Avante moving targets. So now it's 1000 yard rushers in the NFL? Why not Heisman winners NFL HOF? Why only 1000 yard rushers. how about Pro Bowls? 1000 yard rushers? why not high school lettermen.
No moving targets just showing you that the PAC12 has had more "quality" running backs than the Big12. No it's not......other than USC, not much....at all, as you saw.
This thread is about the PAC12, you seem to be struggling with that.
@jgw Greatness
No dumbass, the NFL outside of pro bowls and HOF is not part of this discussion. I'd consider your argument about 1000 yard rushers for those guys that are still in the game but lets be honest this is college football and all that really matters is how they did at this level.
I can add a of a lot more guys from both Texas and Oklahoma if all were talking about is NFL 1000 yard rushers You forget Texas and Oklahoma for most of their existence were primarily running programs.
I'm interested in true greatness and the Pac doesn't have it.
First of all cool this...dumbasss...bull , ok? You're the one telling me..."other than USC, not much"....you have any idea how stupid that was? Let me guess....nope!
Trust me little man, when it comes to sprinters/running backs/receivers you won't be telling me a damn thing...ok? That is my pet, I have it 100% covered....ok?
The PAC12 has more quality running back than the Big12 has had, that is a fact and really not even debatable. , I didn't even mention Jackie Robinson UCLA.
Last time USC played Oklahoma...55-19, last time USC played Texas, Texa gets a TD with Youngs knee on the ground. Texas 41-USC 38.
Greatness...haha!!!!!
Oh yeah, all the NFL 1000 yard rushers from Texas/Oklahoma have already been mentioned.
Last edited by Avante; 08-29-2014 at 02:23 AM.
Stanford vs USC
Struggling trying to get a feel on this game, obviously last game didn't help.
One of the bummerrs of these early season games, ya haven't seen enought.
USC's speed on D kept the win for them against Standford last year. The new up-tempo offense will give Stanford fits. They don't have Skov and the other DL whose name has escaped. This isn't an Oregon fast break offense because it has bigger receivers and a smashing run game that will help. It is a road game and there may be a dulling of the emotion that fueled them last week. I'll go USC 28 - Stanford 20.
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