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    but josh gordon is out a year for smoking some weed???

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    Justice ain't fair it seems...definitely okay to beat your girl but if you spark a blunt twice you're outta here!

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    Gordon is a repeat offender in the NFL & in college

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    Gordon is a repeat offender in the NFL & in college
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    Gordon is a repeat offender in the NFL & in college
    And? So you're saying a spouse abuser is less a detriment than someone who likes to get baked? Even if he's a repeat offender, he is less a harm to the image than someone who viciously beat someone and dragged them on tape. Especially with the league at times pushing an initiative on woman's rights and support of woman causes like breast cancer and equality in sports.

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    The NFL's system for suspending players is broken. You know it, I know it, anyone with a functional brain knows it.
    That's the only conclusion that can be drawn from Baltimore Raven running back Ray Rice reportedly receiving a two-game suspension for knocking out his fiancee and then dragging her unconscious body outside a casino elevator. , the casino probably has a more stringent punishment for Rice than the NFL. They probably won't let him come back and gamble.
    Maybe we're being unkind to Rice here. I mean, there's probably a perfectly reasonable explanation for how he managed to knock out his fiancee accidentally. Plus, it's not like there was video of the incident.
    Wait, there was?
    Oh.
    Well, let's wait for the court system to render its full judgment before we act. Wait, the courts already did that too?
    Ray Rice is lucky he didn't call his wife a gay slur while she was knocked out. Because then the NFL really would have been mad. He might not play this season. Based on the precedent the Minnesota Vikings set with Mike Preifer, he certainly would have missed more games for merely uttering a gay slur than for knocking out a woman.
    What if Rice had paused while dragging his wife's body out of the elevator and sent a mean text or tweet, then the NFL would have really laid down the law, too. Remember mean words are much worse than mean acts. Or, God forbid, imagine if Ray Rice had gotten free tattoos at Rutgers and the NFL found out about it. Then, like Terrelle Pryor, he might have faced a five-game NFL suspension. , Pryor could have knocked out two women and only missed four games.
    And don't even get me started on the NFL's absurd drug-testing policy suspensions. If you smoke too much weed you can miss an entire NFL season. That's the equivalent of knocking out eight women. (Ten if your team advances deep in the playoffs). How in the world is it eight times as bad to smoke too much weed as it is to knock out a woman? Is there any person on earth who agrees with these disparate punishments? Keep in mind, weed is not even a performance enhancing substance, it makes you worse at the game. Here's what the NFL's drug policy should be -- use any drugs you want if they don't improve player performance. That's your risk, we don't care. But that's another column, this one is about stupidity, the NFL's in particular. Somehow we've reached the point where violent acts are much less severely punished than mean words or texts or tattoos or bad jokes about gay people during practices.
    How? How in the world did we get to a place where the NFL conducts a rigorous investigation of Richie Incognito's text messages, but lets a player knock out his fiancee and barely lifts a finger? Where Josh Gordon faces a season-long suspension for smoking too much weed, but violent felons are free to play with limited punishment. Ray Rice is the flashpoint today, but this isn't so much about Ray Rice as it is the NFL's untenable position on punishments for violence. It's an upside down NFL world. Violence against women is acceptable, words or non-violent acts are often unacceptable. It's an infuriating and stupid and indefensible double standard, the exact opposite of what should happen. Violent acts should be punished infinitely more severely than non-violent acts or words.
    How can a multi-billion dollar league get it this wrong? How can a team like the Baltimore Ravens hold a press conference for Rice and his then-victim, now wife, to discuss the incident and be so tone deaf? Did they really let her accept blame for being knocked out? Was she armed with five guns, eight throwing stars, two machetes, and a pair of nunchucks? No? So what fear did Ray Rice really have that his fiancee was going to hurt him? Ray Rice makes a living getting hit by NFL linebackers, you think he couldn't subdue a 110 pound woman's anger without knocking her out? For that matter, how can any dad walk a woman down the aisle and give her away for marriage to a man who knocked her out? Because that happened too. You want to know why the NFL thinks it can get away with a two game suspension for a violent act against a woman? Because we let it happen every day in this country.
    Imagine what our society might look like if we condemned violence against women like we condemn racism or phobia. America would look a lot different. So would the NFL. Unfortunately, right now in the NFL you're better off hitting a woman than smoking weed or making a bad joke. Why is this true? Because, ultimately, the NFL is just reflecting our own national priorities. Amazingly, in 21st century America violence against women is more socially acceptable than bad jokes. And ultimately, that's our fault, not the NFL's.

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    Gordon is a repeat offender in the NFL & in college
    Pretty much what it comes down to and is a first time offender.. But if Rice decides to KO his wife again, I'm sure the next suspension would be much more severe. Won't matter since Baltimore will probably be looking to look for another RB in the future.

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    And? So you're saying a spouse abuser is less a detriment than someone who likes to get baked? Even if he's a repeat offender, he is less a harm to the image than someone who viciously beat someone and dragged them on tape. Especially with the league at times pushing an initiative on woman's rights and support of woman causes like breast cancer and equality in sports.
    If that's the case, then you might as well have an issue with our justice system since Rice avoided standing trial because prosecutors approved him for a pre-trial intervention program designed for first-time offenders.. The system itself is also far from perfect, but there's a lot of things that went into consideration before the NFL handed down the suspension. Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying what Rice did, what I'm saying is that based on Rice owning up to what he did, the counseling and cooperation with Goodell, it most likely reduced the suspension. Now had the wife not been as supportive and actually pressed charges on Rice as well as Rice not be cooperative with authorities, the courts and the NFL. I'm certain his suspension would have been longer. If anything, I was ready to hear them say he was gonna miss half the season and both Rice and the Ravens were preparing for that.

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    If that's the case, then you might as well have an issue with our justice system since Rice avoided standing trial because prosecutors approved him for a pre-trial intervention program designed for first-time offenders.. The system itself is also far from perfect, but there's a lot of things that went into consideration before the NFL handed down the suspension. Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying what Rice did, what I'm saying is that based on Rice owning up to what he did, the counseling and cooperation with Goodell, it most likely reduced the suspension. Now had the wife not been as supportive and actually pressed charges on Rice as well as Rice not be cooperative with authorities, the courts and the NFL. I'm certain his suspension would have been longer. If anything, I was ready to hear them say he was gonna miss half the season and both Rice and the Ravens were preparing for that.
    The legal system wasn't right in what they did. I will guarantee you if it were one of us we wouldn't have the privilege of a pre-trial program. Because of fame and it was inequality at its best. I have a qualm over the league preaching and trying to bring in the female viewership and portray a female friendly league then turn around and go easy. Got lucky and probably for the reasons you stated.

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    The legal system wasn't right in what they did. I will guarantee you if it were one of us we wouldn't have the privilege of a pre-trial program. Because of fame and it was inequality at its best. I have a qualm over the league preaching and trying to bring in the female viewership and portray a female friendly league then turn around and go easy. Got lucky and probably for the reasons you stated.
    You're right, he did get special treatment there and Rice DEFINITELY got lucky with the slap in the hand he got from the NFL. The majority of the raven fans were expecting him to be suspended for at least half the season. If anything, he should have been suspended for that much imo.
    But he'll have to live with what he did not only for the rest of his life, but also hear it from fans across the NFL.

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    The NFL's system for suspending players is broken. You know it, I know it, anyone with a functional brain knows it.
    That's the only conclusion that can be drawn from Baltimore Raven running back Ray Rice reportedly receiving a two-game suspension for knocking out his fiancee and then dragging her unconscious body outside a casino elevator. , the casino probably has a more stringent punishment for Rice than the NFL. They probably won't let him come back and gamble.
    Maybe we're being unkind to Rice here. I mean, there's probably a perfectly reasonable explanation for how he managed to knock out his fiancee accidentally. Plus, it's not like there was video of the incident.
    Wait, there was?
    Oh.
    Well, let's wait for the court system to render its full judgment before we act. Wait, the courts already did that too?
    Ray Rice is lucky he didn't call his wife a gay slur while she was knocked out. Because then the NFL really would have been mad. He might not play this season. Based on the precedent the Minnesota Vikings set with Mike Preifer, he certainly would have missed more games for merely uttering a gay slur than for knocking out a woman.
    What if Rice had paused while dragging his wife's body out of the elevator and sent a mean text or tweet, then the NFL would have really laid down the law, too. Remember mean words are much worse than mean acts. Or, God forbid, imagine if Ray Rice had gotten free tattoos at Rutgers and the NFL found out about it. Then, like Terrelle Pryor, he might have faced a five-game NFL suspension. , Pryor could have knocked out two women and only missed four games.
    And don't even get me started on the NFL's absurd drug-testing policy suspensions. If you smoke too much weed you can miss an entire NFL season. That's the equivalent of knocking out eight women. (Ten if your team advances deep in the playoffs). How in the world is it eight times as bad to smoke too much weed as it is to knock out a woman? Is there any person on earth who agrees with these disparate punishments? Keep in mind, weed is not even a performance enhancing substance, it makes you worse at the game. Here's what the NFL's drug policy should be -- use any drugs you want if they don't improve player performance. That's your risk, we don't care. But that's another column, this one is about stupidity, the NFL's in particular. Somehow we've reached the point where violent acts are much less severely punished than mean words or texts or tattoos or bad jokes about gay people during practices.
    How? How in the world did we get to a place where the NFL conducts a rigorous investigation of Richie Incognito's text messages, but lets a player knock out his fiancee and barely lifts a finger? Where Josh Gordon faces a season-long suspension for smoking too much weed, but violent felons are free to play with limited punishment. Ray Rice is the flashpoint today, but this isn't so much about Ray Rice as it is the NFL's untenable position on punishments for violence. It's an upside down NFL world. Violence against women is acceptable, words or non-violent acts are often unacceptable. It's an infuriating and stupid and indefensible double standard, the exact opposite of what should happen. Violent acts should be punished infinitely more severely than non-violent acts or words.
    How can a multi-billion dollar league get it this wrong? How can a team like the Baltimore Ravens hold a press conference for Rice and his then-victim, now wife, to discuss the incident and be so tone deaf? Did they really let her accept blame for being knocked out? Was she armed with five guns, eight throwing stars, two machetes, and a pair of nunchucks? No? So what fear did Ray Rice really have that his fiancee was going to hurt him? Ray Rice makes a living getting hit by NFL linebackers, you think he couldn't subdue a 110 pound woman's anger without knocking her out? For that matter, how can any dad walk a woman down the aisle and give her away for marriage to a man who knocked her out? Because that happened too. You want to know why the NFL thinks it can get away with a two game suspension for a violent act against a woman? Because we let it happen every day in this country.
    Imagine what our society might look like if we condemned violence against women like we condemn racism or phobia. America would look a lot different. So would the NFL. Unfortunately, right now in the NFL you're better off hitting a woman than smoking weed or making a bad joke. Why is this true? Because, ultimately, the NFL is just reflecting our own national priorities. Amazingly, in 21st century America violence against women is more socially acceptable than bad jokes. And ultimately, that's our fault, not the NFL's.

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    Damn...dude went in with the truth nukes.

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    tbh thank god ray rice is black or else Trill would be having a hissy-fit

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    racist league gives Rice 2 games for beating his fiance, gives Incognito an indefinite suspension for bullying

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    There is a big difference between things done out of passion compared to the planned. We've all had that moment where you've done something stupid without thinking. Doing drugs is not like that, not that later on you realize how stupid it was.

    Rice, is a cool guy who simply blew it. Josh Gordon is a ing moron

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    There is a big difference between things done out of passion compared to the planned. We've all had that moment where you've done something stupid without thinking. Doing drugs is not like that, not that later on you realize how stupid it was.

    Rice, is a cool guy who simply blew it. Josh Gordon is a ing moron
    This is such a stupid post, holy .

    Sorry old man, a lot of us haven't beat their wife out of passion.

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    This is such a stupid post, holy .

    Sorry old man, a lot of us haven't beat their wife out of passion.
    Why not head off to Google and type in....spousel abuse....ok? It's real obvious you have your headed planted two feet up your ass. You might wanna try and talk about things ya know about slugger...ok?

    And, if you try and sell...."I'm always in total control and have never done anything stupid because of emotions"...I'm calling you a liar.

    , I 'll do this for your dumb ass.
    Domestic violence (also known as intimate partner violence) can happen to anyone, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, income, or other factors.
    The Victims


    • One in 4 women will experience domestic violence during her lifetime.
    • Women experience more than 4 million physical assaults and rapes because of their partners, and men are victims of nearly 3 million physical assaults.
    • Women are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than men
    • Women ages 20 to 24 are at greatest risk of becoming victims of domestic violence.
    • Every year, 1 in 3 women who is a victim of homicide is murdered by her current or former partner.



    Now you should feel stupid, because you sure look it.

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    What point are you trying to make? If he raped or murdered her then it is okay because the statistics say that is common?

    And yeah you're right, I know nothing of spousal abuse because I am not a low life sack of .

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    What point are you trying to make? If he raped or murdered her then it is okay because the statistics say that is common?

    And yeah you're right, I know nothing of spousal abuse because I am not a low life sack of .
    Do you think at all before posting? You have any idea at all about this topic? Do you really think it takes a.....a low life sack of .....to blow it? Don't get out much do ya slick?

    Why no have some knowledge of things before ya run your big ing mouth, ok asshole?

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    I am well aware of the sad fact that domestic abuse is a common occurrence in today's world. , it was prevalent in my own household growing up. That said, I am certainly not going to defend a grown man who knocks out his wife, whether you feel it is the norm or not. And certainly not with an excuse like it was done out of passion. Go yourself.

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    I am well aware of the sad fact that domestic abuse is a common occurrence in today's world. , it was prevalent in my own household growing up. That said, I am certainly not going to defend a grown man who knocks out his wife, whether you feel it is the norm or not. And certainly not with an excuse like it was done out of passion. Go yourself.
    Dude, who said anything at all about...the norm? no hitting a woman is not the norm...ok ya dumb ? But....it does happen all the time and a huge % of the time is an isolated/one time deal done out of passion for the moment. You have done stupid , one is telling me to go myself, something you wouldn't do if I were standing in front of you.

    Ray Rice is not some thug, he made a mistake and it's over now. Only some moron like you woudn't see this.

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    So we can add woman beater to Avantes resume' now. Makes sense tbh. Fake tough guys usually beat up women.

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    tbh thank god ray rice is black or else Trill would be having a hissy-fit
    racist league gives Rice 2 games for beating his fiance, gives Incognito an indefinite suspension for bullying
    yo you need to chill.

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    yo you need to chill.
    He's got a really good point though.

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    So avante is ok with beating your wife as long as it's a one time deal.

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