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    1981: First Matchup
    The 1981 matchup established Florida State not only as a successful team, but a future national power. Bobby Bowden became known as the “Road Warrior”, thanks to the scrappy and resilient 1981 crew.
    For five straight games, the Seminoles fought respected powers Nebraska, Ohio State, LSU and the Dan Marino-led Pitt Panthers. Sandwiched in the middle of the killer “Octoberfest” schedule was an encounter with Notre Dame in South Bend.
    This clash had the least at stake when it came to national le hopes. Notre Dame was limping into October wounded after a blowout loss to Michigan and being upset at Purdue. Florida State—on the other hand—had collected another victory against a big name team. The week before going to Notre Dame, the Seminoles had upended undefeated Ohio State in Columbus, but the week before that Nebraska had steamrolled the Seminoles 34-14.

    Highlights were aplenty in the 1993 "Game of the Century."

    Perhaps going to the Midwest had eased the Seminoles nerves, or maybe it was the inability for Notre Dame head coach Gerry Faust to win games against opponents they should have been able to clobber.
    The ‘Noles left Indiana with leprechaun scalps and 19-13 upset for the ages.


    1993: Game of the Century
    No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchups were rare in the pre-BCS era.
    Fortunately, 1993 allowed for such an occasion.
    The top-ranked Seminoles returned to South Bend having beat national powerhouse Miami, while the hungry second-ranked Irish knew that a home win would guarantee them a trip to the national championship in the Orange Bowl.
    Jumping out to an early 24-7 lead, Lou Holtz’s group prevented a Hail Mary from Heisman Trophy winner Charlie Ward, and seemingly derailed the Seminoles from the national le game.
    As fate would have it, the Irish would suffer their first-ever loss to Boston College the next week on a last second field goal: The Seminoles took down Nebraska in the le game to win FSU its first national championship.



    1994: Revenge?
    Who really had more to get revenge for in 1994? The Fighting Irish had cost the Seminoles a perfect season, but Bobby Bowden’s team had won the bigger prize in the Orange Bowl.

    The two teams agreed to play in the Citrus Bowl in Orlando, giving the Seminoles a strong home crowd advantage. Such a factor probably tilted the scales in the Seminoles’ favor, as they outlasted Lou Holtz and Notre Dame 23-16.




    1996: The Bowl Game
    The 1995 season had been a disappointment for both national powers. FSU had lost its first ACC game ever, and had suffered at the hands of the Florida Gators in Gainesville, falling to ninth. Lou Holtz and company had been shocked by Northwestern and lost to Ohio State, but had rebounded to eighth with a 38-10 pasting of fifth-ranked USC.
    Fortunately, the Seminoles were more hungry New Year’s night and rode out to a 31-26 victory in Miami. The Seminoles would soon go on to appear in four national le games in the following five years, while Notre Dame began to become a national afterthought.




    2002: New Era for Irish
    Bobby Bowden’s twilight phase had begun, as the Seminole dynasty ended in 2001. The Seminoles were still compe ive, coming to face Notre Dame. The week before, the Noles had lost to top-ranked Miami by (surprise), missing a game-winning field goal. Obviously, the talent was there to stop the undefeated Fighting Irish in their first season with head coach Tyrone Willingham.
    The hangover effect from a loss to the Hurricanes probably dogged the Seminoles, as they fell to the Irish in impregnable Doak Campbell Stadium 34-24.



    2003: Attack of the Spear
    Talk about a role reversal.
    In 2003, a Top 10 FSU squad clobbered Willingham and the Irish, shutting out Notre Dame 37-0. This was one of the first signs of massive decline for Notre Dame. After Willingham was sent off a year later, the Charlie Weis era only briefly revived the team’s fortunes. While FSU would continue to slip into anonymity, the ‘Noles were at least able to win 10 games in 2003.

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    Sportsbooks havetaken the line down. Maybe anticipating something happening to jameis

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    Sportsbooks havetaken the line down. Maybe anticipating something happening to jameis
    I'd understand but I would lose interest in CFB if FSU's Winning Streak were snapped by the NCAA

    Let FSU's run end on the field and then strip the les later.

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    I'd understand but I would lose interest in CFB if FSU's Winning Streak were snapped by the NCAA

    Let FSU's run end on the field and then strip the les later.
    that. Letting football influence the process is why the situation is as it now sits. If he should be in jail then they need to do their job and get him off the field ASAMFP.

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    that. Letting football influence the process is why the situation is as it now sits. If he should be in jail then they need to do their job and get him off the field ASAMFP.
    The rape is laughable.

    But he did steal crab, shoot a bee bee gun, stand on the table etc. He's a bag and/or . This much is true.

    Unless he took recruiting money or some other form of money like signing autographs, the guy should be playing if FSU is okay with allowing an athlete to run amoke on their campus. That's a personal FSU matter

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    The rape is laughable.
    Could be, but I don't think so. If it were, they wouldn't be having further investigation and a hearing. Campus police got a copy of the police report before the prosecutor did and turned it over to Winston's defense lawyer so they could start going after witnesses. Can't imagine they'd take that much risk for a laughable charge. This ain't about drinks at Burger King.

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    What does a Florida State Criminole football player wearing a three piece suit say????

    Not guilty, your honor.

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    Could be, but I don't think so. If it were, they wouldn't be having further investigation and a hearing. Campus police got a copy of the police report before the prosecutor did and turned it over to Winston's defense lawyer so they could start going after witnesses. Can't imagine they'd take that much risk for a laughable charge. This ain't about drinks at Burger King.
    Both her parents are attorneys. As much as it disgusts me, mudsharking isn't against the law or NCAA rules. Her situation should be treated as a lesson not used to a ruin a guys education or collegiate career.

    IMO, short of the police finding date rape drugs or physical marks on the victim........learn your lesson and move on. She willingly got into a taxi with 3 other [black] Football players, willingly went into Winston's room and admitted to yelling at his teammates to "close the door". That is a Grade A . No drugs or physical marks, no case.

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    Both her parents are attorneys. As much as it disgusts me, mudsharking isn't against the law or NCAA rules. Her situation should be treated as a lesson not used to a ruin a guys education or collegiate career.

    IMO, short of the police finding date rape drugs or physical marks on the victim........learn your lesson and move on. She willingly got into a taxi with 3 other [black] Football players, willingly went into Winston's room and admitted to yelling at his teammates to "close the door". That is a Grade A . No drugs or physical marks, no case.
    Holy , dude. There's so much wrong with what you just typed. You're cherry picking and you know it. If you're not even going to try to look at the case objectively then you would probably fit right in in Tallahassee.

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    Holy , dude. There's so much wrong with what you just typed. You're cherry picking and you know it. If you're not even going to try to look at the case objectively then you would probably fit right in in Tallahassee.
    Can you post which parts you disagree with and why?

    No drugs, no marks. She ted and felt guilt.

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    So it makes a difference that the football players were black, Nazi?

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    So it makes a difference that the football players were black, Nazi?
    Race is a factor. I don't believe the original situation would have received such publicity if the girl were black or the players white.

    I tend to discredit what she did because of the choices she made leading up to the event.

    For all we know her parents are pushing this because they are in denial that their daughter is a mudshark.

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    Race is a factor. I don't believe the original situation would have received such publicity if the girl were black or the players white.

    I tend to discredit what she did because of the choices she made leading up to the event.

    For all we know her parents are pushing this because they are in denial that their daughter is a mudshark.
    So cause a white girl likes black guys, she is more of a ...
    Gotcha, that'll hold up.
    In Naziville.

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    So cause a white girl likes black guys, she is more of a ...
    Gotcha, that'll hold up.
    In Naziville.
    I'm not arguing that.

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    I'm not arguing that.
    Then why did you post it?

    [black]

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    Can you post which parts you disagree with and why?

    No drugs, no marks. She ted and felt guilt.
    There aren't any reputable news sources that support anything you've said.

    The statements you're referring to about her "willingness" were taken 11 months after the initial complaint. One of his teammates claimed to have recorded part of the incident, but 11 months later he didn't have his phone anymore. After the initial complaint, they didn't investigate anyone but the victim.

    The most serious of the allegations made by attorney Patricia Carroll was based on a medical examination of the accuser at Tallahassee Memorial HealthCare. The records describe a nurse's finding of a "sexual assault" and "generalized vaginal tears" as well as other injuries showing signs of a struggle.
    -ESPN

    It was almost six weeks between the time her blood and urine samples were taken and the time they were sent to the lab. They cited her lack of memory during the incident as a reason they declined to pursue it, but they didn't test her blood for date-rape drugs. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    Again, the only thing with more inconsistencies than the accuser's statement is literally everything else, from Winston's story to the witness statements to the investigation, to the lack of follow-up by the police, to the laughing during the Miggs press conference, to the information that they released to the press when they finally did it with missing information and redacted parts of the medical report.

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    Then why did you post it?

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    Why'd I post what? Race is factor. Would I be more interested in the case if it were White Female / White players or Black Female / Black players? no.

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    Race is a factor. I don't believe the original situation would have received such publicity if the girl were black or the players white.
    Considering you have a Duke logo beneath your user name, I wonder if you have any sense of how stupid that statement is.

    I tend to discredit what she did because of the choices she made leading up to the event.
    You seem to be privy to information about her goings-on that night that nobody else has, but it clearly carries enormous weight as it's causing you to ignore all of the mismanagement of the case by the police, the university, the prosecutor's office, and the football team in favor of it. You're gonna need to produce that info for the rest of us.

    For all we know her parents are pushing this because they are in denial that their daughter is a mudshark.
    Her boyfriend at the time of the incident was black. It's amazing that you're so willing to suspend disbelief to paint this woman as a and make racist statements about her but you overlook all the ways people stonewalled on Winston's behalf for 18 months. By the time it even became an issue last year, the accuser and her family had long since given up trying to pursue it. I don't think mudsharking was foremost on their minds.

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    There aren't any reputable news sources that support anything you've said.

    The statements you're referring to about her "willingness" were taken 11 months after the initial complaint. One of his teammates claimed to have recorded part of the incident, but 11 months later he didn't have his phone anymore. After the initial complaint, they didn't investigate anyone but the victim.
    The most serious of the allegations made by attorney Patricia Carroll was based on a medical examination of the accuser at Tallahassee Memorial HealthCare. The records describe a nurse's finding of a "sexual assault" and "generalized vaginal tears" as well as other injuries showing signs of a struggle.
    -ESPN

    It was almost six weeks between the time her blood and urine samples were taken and the time they were sent to the lab. They cited her lack of memory during the incident as a reason they declined to pursue it, but they didn't test her blood for date-rape drugs. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    Again, the only thing with more inconsistencies than the accuser's statement is literally everything else, from Winston's story to the witness statements to the investigation, to the lack of follow-up by the police, to the laughing during the Miggs press conference, to the information that they released to the press when they finally did it with missing information and redacted parts of the medical report.
    Sounds like a lesson learned and time to move on.

    - Don't get into Taxis with football players
    - Don't be the only girl at a football players apartment

    If these two were avoided, there would be no event. Unless Winston physically picked her up and carried her into his bed, she is a and got what she deserved.

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    Why'd I post what? Race is factor. Would I be more interested in the case if it were White Female / White players or Black Female / Black players? no.
    Oh, so this is about YOUR interest, and your interest in the case makes her more of a .
    I get it.
    This case beyond your interest. You are judging her character as a based on... look what you posted.
    This case is now past your drivel.

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    Oh, so this is about YOUR interest, and your interest in the case makes her more of a .
    I get it.
    This case beyond your interest. You are judging her character as a based on... look what you posted.
    This case is now past your drivel.
    She is a based on her actions and in this case beyond it involved black players.

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    She is a based on her actions and in this case beyond it involved black players.
    So the players being black furthers her characterization as a ?
    Part of her actions involved choosing to get into a car with not only football players, but [black] football players.
    Your post brackets.

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