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    Women and minorities are also the creators of a lot of these "sexist" and "racist" video games and are taking offense to the sjw crowd always trying to speak for them.

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    the social justice war you speak of, boiled down, is someone else's free speech. thin skinned?

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    And it's my free speech to expose their agenda and help stop it

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    the crybabies who feel the proper response to criticism is threats of violence seem to be doing more to chill free speech, per the OP.

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    in Florida, anyway. I doubt there are more than a handful of states that prosecute obscenity anymore.
    Florida? That was prosecuted federally.

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    under Florida community standards. weird.

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    "More and more we're seeing the government prosecuting in locations that have nothing to do with their case."
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...ut-case/565978

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    Gamers are ing nerds imho.

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    the crybabies who feel the proper response to criticism is threats of violence seem to be doing more to chill free speech, per the OP.
    She's literally the girl who cried wolf at this point. She claimed she called the police to report a death threat and when anons called the police station there was actually no police report ever filed.

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    because no police reports were filed does not mean there were no threats made. not sure what your point is here.

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    She made up this big elaborate lie about calling the police and them getting involved, problem is it never happened.

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    Going off memory, but historically, obscenity laws were state issues because they were criminal. There are federal statutes that deal with obscenity (I.e child porn), but those laws incorporated state standards, which was the old standard under the Miller case.

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    The issue here absolutely concerns censorship.There are many brands of censorship beyond the government variety. The criticism of how woman are portrayed in games is made so that the content changes to be more inclusive to women gamers. That's another way of silencing one type of content and subs uting in another. When the critique aims at removing "offensive" content and putting in a sanitized subs ute, that's censorship.

    More to the point, the underlying issue is ridiculous. Games are made for entertainment but they are also a form of expression. If a bunch of Christians got upset at Trent Reznor because the music of Nine Inch Nails is hostile towards Christianity, we'd be quick to brush them off. The issue here is the same -- feminists aren't en led to have a positive depiction of women advanced in games. If they don't like the content, they should create their own ty games. But the idea that developers should change how woman are portrayed to accommodate a feminist view is ridiculous.
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    the crybabies who feel the proper response to criticism is threats of violence seem to be doing more to chill free speech, per the OP.
    Both sides have been making threats of violence, though....

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    Both sides have been making threats of violence, though....
    Yes they have, this is how leftists operate. This was sent to someone involved in exposing gamergate..one of many threats that they have received.


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    If they don't like the content, they should create their own ty games. But the idea that developers should change how woman are portrayed to accommodate a feminist view is ridiculous.
    To video game developers, apparently it isn't. Women are nearly half their market.

    Anti-feminist gamers and feminist pressure groups are both free to tell developers how to run their business. And they're free to run them as they think best.

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    To video game developers, apparently it isn't. Women are nearly half their market.
    Non-issue. There's no problem with developers making content to suit that audience.

    Anti-feminist gamers and feminist pressure groups are both free to tell developers how to run their business. And they're free to run them as they think best.
    Of course their free. And if a developer chooses to put misogynistic/violent content in a game, they shouldn't be castigated.

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    And if a developer chooses to put misogynistic/violent content in a game, they shouldn't be castigated.
    why not?

    are video game developers/gamers en led to live in a criticism-free bubble?

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    Because its expression? Because they've made a determination of what the market wants and is delivering it to them.

    Why do video games have to have a multicultural bent?

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    the right to free expression does not preempt someone else right to respond. if some develpers choose to bowdlerize their product in light of public criticism, others will step up with raunchier content.

    still don't see the problem here, except that you think someone else's criticism should be stilled.

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    the right to free expression does not preempt someone else right to respond.
    I'd agree if it stopped with this. But it doesn't. The demand is to change content. That crosses the line into censorship.

    if some develpers choose to bowdlerize their product in light of public criticism, others will step up with raunchier content.
    Says who? This is rank speculation

    still don't see the problem here, except that you think someone else's criticism should be stilled.
    Silencing free expression because someone disagrees with its content is my problem. I don't see how that's unclear to you.

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    I'd agree if it stopped with this. But it doesn't. The demand is to change content. That crosses the line into censorship.
    No, it doesn't. Developers are free to take the advice of pressure groups or to ignore it.

    Silencing free expression because someone disagrees with its content is my problem. I don't see how that's unclear to you.
    Who got silenced? Are we less free to consume mysogynistic expression than before?

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    No, it doesn't. Developers are free to take the advice of pressure groups or to ignore them.
    Sure it does. That content would no longer be in the games.

    But more to the point, the idea that the content of expression should be eliminated because you don't like it is problematic. You'd have no problem with a band changing its message because a group found it objectionable. That's ed.

    You're putting the onus on developers - which have a part to play. But so do the groups who are calling for censorship.

    Who got silenced? Are we less free to consume mysogynistic expression than before?
    Yes, if the content changes.

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    GTA had the opportunity to stick up for gamers, but decided to conform to social propriety.

    You should blame them, too, but it seems all your scorn is reserved for shrill feminists and none for for the craven developers who bow and scrape to them.

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    GTA had the opportunity to stick up for gamers, but decided to conform to social propriety.

    You should blame them, too, but it seems all your scorn is reserved for shrill feminists and none for for the craven developers who bow and scrape to them.
    No, I blame them for caving in too. Don't be quick with your assumptions about what I think.

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