Aaron Hernandez trial

[MultiTroll]

How do you KNOW that they're guilty? With Hernandez,

You're changing the subject knee jerk style to Hernandez.
I'm talking about cases where, in retrospect the person was guilty and got off.
Ever heard of that? In the history of court cases....

[cantthinkofanything]

nope

Peanut the Kidnapper?

[FromWayDowntown]

You're changing the subject knee jerk style to Hernandez.
I'm talking about cases where, in retrospect the person was guilty and got off.
Ever heard of that? In the history of court cases....

In any event, my stance is that even people who are objectively guilty of crimes should not be deprived of due process protections and should not be obligated to incriminate themselves. If the State can't prove guilt within the strictures of the due process requirements of law, then our rule of law has been fulfilled even if the outcome of the case might seem unjust to you.

[MultiTroll]

"might seem unjust to me".
When guilty child molesters have gotten off due to some legal technicality, do you think that was unjust?

...I know que some legalistic non answer.....
Hopefully you will never become the victim of a crime that does you or yours real damage.
Guaranteed you will stop living in your head and have a whole new perspective of both sides.

[MultiTroll]

How do you KNOW that they're guilty? With Hernandez, you seem to have concluded that he's guilty, but unless you were there on the night of Lloyd's murder, you don't have any way at this point to KNOW that. You'll have to pardon me if I don't take your assumption of an accused's guilt as the gospel truth, particularly since you do seem prone to knee-jerk conclusions about things, often with incomplete knowledge about them.

In any event, my stance is that even people who are objectively guilty of crimes should not be deprived of due process protections and should not be obligated to incriminate themselves and if the State can't prove guilt within the strictures of the due process requirements of law, then our rule of law has been fulfilled even if the outcome of the case might seem unjust to you.

Never have posted one iota that i KNOW Hernandez is guilty.
Yes i lean towards his being guilty, oh yes.

To the point of this thread, his *girlfriend* / babymama packing out of the house and not having to testify about it, is pure bull . Nothing meri ious about it whatsoever, regardless of the legal shiftiness.

[Blake]

"might seem unjust to me".
When guilty child molesters have gotten off due to some legal technicality, do you think that was unjust?

...I know que some legalistic non answer.....
Hopefully you will never become the victim of a crime that does you or yours real damage.
Guaranteed you will stop living in your head and have a whole new perspective of both sides.

What guilty child molesters have gotten off due to a technicality?

Straw.

[Blake]

Never have posted one iota that i KNOW Hernandez is guilty.
Yes i lean towards his being guilty, oh yes.

To the point of this thread, his *girlfriend* / babymama packing out of the house and not having to testify about it, is pure bull . Nothing meri ious about it whatsoever, regardless of the legal shiftiness.

How do you propose we make her testify? Jail? Waterboard?

[MultiTroll]

What guilty child molesters have gotten off due to a technicality?

Straw.

BlakeChumper.
I hope you never sell (give up, whatever) your site but if it keeps you on the keyboard in the meanwhile.....

[FromWayDowntown]

"might seem unjust to me".
When guilty child molesters have gotten off due to some legal technicality, do you think that was unjust?

...I know que some legalistic non answer.....
Hopefully you will never become the victim of a crime that does you or yours real damage.
Guaranteed you will stop living in your head and have a whole new perspective of both sides.

I can assure you that I'm not living in my head and my position is hardly "legalistic." The Cons ution is not merely some technicality.

I can also assure you that my positions on these issues have not been arrived at lightly. But my positions are legally sound and based on an understanding of why the principles we're discussing exist. If you think otherwise, that's fine.

[Blake]

BlakeChumper.
I hope you never sell (give up, whatever) your site but if it keeps you on the keyboard in the meanwhile.....

It's a serious question. If you can't back it up, then all you're doing here is setting up a mean ol strawman to beat up on.

[DJR210]

How's the reasonable doubt coming along in this case? Haven't followed it..

[cantthinkofanything]

It's a serious question. If you can't back it up, then all you're doing here is setting up a mean ol strawman to beat up on.

Maybe Papa Eggs .

[MultiTroll]

It's a serious question. If you can't back it up, then all you're doing here is setting up a mean ol strawman to beat up on.

Here is a very mild one. And by mild i don't mean the impact on the victims, i mean it's *only* a taped confession.

Just to get you started.
Despite taped confession, accused child molester walks free

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/When-is-a-taped-confession-of-child-sex-abuse-not-enough-for-a-conviction-177702721.html

[Blake]

Here is a very mild one. And by mild i don't mean the impact on the victims, i mean it's *only* a taped confession.

Just to get you started.
Despite taped confession, accused child molester walks free

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/When-is-a-taped-confession-of-child-sex-abuse-not-enough-for-a-conviction-177702721.html

.....

There's a natural instinct when someone confesses to a crime to say, that's what we need. He says he did it. but in order to overcome the hurdle of the corpus delicti rule you have to have that independent evidence.....

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/W....html?mobile=y

If someone walks into a police station and says on video "i committed a murder", but the police have nothing else to go on, do you believe that should be enough to convict him of murder?

[MultiTroll]

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If someone walks into a police station and says on video "i committed a murder", but the police have nothing else to go on, do you believe that should be enough to convict him of murder?

How about if the police have plenty else to go on?
Here is another mild one.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/12...-technicality/

[Blake]

How about if the police have plenty else to go on?
Here is another mild one.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/12...-technicality/

The cases were re-tried and both dudes are currently serving life sentences in Pennsylvania.
And Ohio legislators changed the law to avoid future loopholes.

And you still haven't answered my question.

[MultiTroll]

The cases were re-tried and both dudes are currently serving life sentences in Pennsylvania.
And Ohio legislators changed the law to avoid future loopholes.

And you still haven't answered my question.

About time the vegislators changed the law.

I'm still looking for child molesters that got off due to technicality.
It appears FromWayDowntown and other defendant rights only types have lobbied Google to show only falsely accused.

[MultiTroll]

The cases were re-tried and both dudes are currently serving life sentences in Pennsylvania.

They both had plenty of time to flee to a country that does not extradite.

[Blake]

I'm still looking for child molesters that got off due to technicality.
It appears FromWayDowntown and other defendant rights only types have lobbied Google to show only falsely accused.

you really love you some conspiracy theories don't you

[Blake]

They both had plenty of time to flee to a country that does not extradite.

they were never released. They were immediately extradited to Pennsylvania.

Smh.

[MultiTroll]

you really love you some conspiracy theories don't you

Some? Yes.
Here are some facts for you.
Over A Dozen Convicted Murderers Released From Prison On Technicality

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/07/11/over-a-dozen-convicted-killers-released-from-prison-on-technicality-more-could-follow/

[MultiTroll]

More coming at you Blakey and From.
In this one both he and his kuunt ex wife should be looking at charges:

'7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins

Confesses on tape to Child Molestation

NYPD Investigating [AUDIO]



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/stephe...#ixzz3UwQGkHnO

http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/stephe...investigation/

[MultiTroll]

sheesh, here is a bizarre one:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2931895&hl=en
Molesting father falsely confesses to get molesting son off.
Sounds like something you "defendants rights only" pushers would just love.

[Blake]

Some? Yes.
Here are some facts for you.
Over A Dozen Convicted Murderers Released From Prison On Technicality

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/07/11/over-a-dozen-convicted-killers-released-from-prison-on-technicality-more-could-follow/

Sigh.

All of these men were convicted before 1980. And since then, the court has changed the way juries are allowed to decide cases.

Apparently the Maryland court system was bull in the 60s and 70s. They fixed the problems.

Those old men that were released are all still on probation. A few of them might even actually be innocent.

[MultiTroll]

A few of them might even actually be innocent.

Are you saying most of them are guilty?!
Did you want to confer with FromWayDowntown before making this statement?

Those old men that were released are all still on probation.

It was taking down but in last nights spam wars between TrillTrollerator and Benefvckter, the later put up a link of a 50 year old guy, twice earlier convicted who while on probation tried porking a very young girl. (or was it he did, was caught raping again).

Don't misread this Blake, just like in Shawshank Redemption the Morgan Freeman character really did murder, was truly sorry and was no threat to society. Wouldn't hurt a fly. I get it, perhaps most of these older guys even if guilty will live it out in peace.