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  1. #26
    coffee is for closers Infinite_limit's Avatar
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    James defeated: old Spurs trio, Thunder trio (nothing but potential thus far), Pistons and Rose .

    Kobe defeated: Blazers/Kings, young Spurs trio, and Celtics trio.

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    90s Jordan single handily kept 5 of the 9 (Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Stockton and Mullin) members of the Dream Team from getting a Ring. Also defeated Magic and Drexler.

    That's essentially defeating 6 of the 30 greatest players of All Time (Not counting Mullin)
    You make it sound like they were all on the same team. lol The only threat to the Bulls were the Jazz, but even then no one thought they'd actually win. Be honest with yourself, 90s Jordan was the most protected player of all time.

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    i'd say kobe, i mean he had to face at least 15 players better than him..

  4. #29
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    The Fivehead comparison is terrible. LeBron has always carried his teams on his back, Fivehead was dragged kicking and screaming to his only ring by his defense, as I've explained on here many times before. Manning has been responsible for nine one-and-dones in his career. Could you imagine the backlash LeBron would get if he lost in the first round of the playoffs nine times and had an under .500 playoff record?

    Also, the argument that Kirby doesn't pout when things don't go his way and "lives to thrive in championship moments" is a LakersGround-esque take. Kirby was pouting on ing draft day about the prospect of having to carry a small-market franchise and was too much of a mental midget to handle that responsibility, plus his threats to leave in free agency, his trade demands, etc. Was 6-24 "thriving" in a championship moment? What about taking 2004 out of the case by freezing out Shaq?

    I do agree that Phil carried DK and Kirby, though. Pop is the only coach I'll rank over Phil all-time.
    But Phil has the deed to Pop's ass H2H (besides having 6 MORE rangs). -20 points sn

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    2011 Playoffs

    1st Round against Philly

    LeBron's "help"

    Wade - 22.2 PPG/8.4 RBS/5.2 AST
    Bosh - 19.8 PPG / 9 RBS

    2nd Rnd Against Boston (Who owned LeBron before)

    Wade - 30.2 PPG/6.8 RBS/4.8 AST/2.0 STEALS
    Bosh - 12.8 PPG/10.2 RBS

    Conference Finals against Chicago

    Wade - 18.8 PPG/6.4 RBS
    Bosh - 23.2 PPG/7.6 RBS

    Finals (Dallas)

    Wade - 26.5 PPG/7 RBS/5.2 ASTS
    Bosh - 18.5 PPG/7.3 RBS

    2012 1st Round against Knicks

    Wade - 21 PPG
    Bosh - 15.PPG/7.2 Rbs

    2nd Round against Indy

    Wade - 26.2 PPG/5.5 RBS
    Bosh injured

    Conference finals against Boston
    Wade - 21.4 PPG/5.7 RBS
    Bosh injured

    Finals

    Wade - 22.6 PPG/6 RBS/5.2 AST
    Bosh - 14.6/9.4 RBS

    NO, LeBron has not always carried the team by himself.
    WNED - this shiiiiiiiiiiit Clipper Nation

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    Yeah, because Lebron had such an easy time with the Magic of 2009 and Celtics of 2008 and 2010

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    When someone is good their compe ion doesn't seem so good. It's all relative. 2004 Pistons were a beast of a team that stomped the living out of 4 HOFers and a HOF coach the previous year. The 2008 Celtics could have taken a lot of the "strong" 80's and 90's teams. The Shaq era Lakers, I think, would have beaten the 72 win Bulls in the Finals.
    Disagree with the bolded.

    1) Shaq/Kobe would've had Rambis or some other on the sidelines - NOT Phillip Jackson

    2) That 72-10 team lost those 10 games by a TOTAL of 10 points - that's INSANE

    3) That 72-10 team had 1st team All NBA defenders at 3 positions in Pippen, Rodman, and Jordan plus 7'2" Luc Longley clogging the lane. They were a defensive juggernaut.

    4) Only two teams that might beat them in a best of 7 were the '87 Lakers or '86 Celtics

    So don't be pulling out ya ass like that. Shaq/Kobe couldn't get past Utah without Phil (the team MJ owned in the Finals). -15 AARP points, you old coot.

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    That Eastern Conference was an absolute joke and of course he was swept by the Spurs in 07. The only real threat he faced that year, the Pistons were seriously injured that year after making it to back to back finals and also the ECF for about 4-5 years in a row.

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    Unfair

    Kobe was in the more difficult conference

  10. #35
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    James defeated: old Spurs trio, Thunder trio (nothing but potential thus far), Pistons and Rose .

    Kobe defeated: Blazers/Kings, young Spurs trio, and Celtics trio.
    Anyone that can honestly say that Lebron had it harder than Kobe or that Kobe had it harder than MJ are either morons or just started watching basketball.

    The 2000's where a prime Kobe played was an absolute mutha er. The conference was loaded for many years from top to bottom. For example the Spurs won a le and the very next year in 2000 they were eliminated by the Suns in the 1st round.....

    Everyone was also scared less to face ShaqKobe.....sure Shaq was a beast but the Spurs could neutralize him. The problem was two-fold ...and Pop would always say it....the problem was that teams had to double Shaq but they also had to double Kobe...leaving a prime Kobe in a one on one situation was like giving Steve Kerr or John Paxson a free throw....that's how tough a cover he was.

    All those teams the Chris Webber lead Kings, the almost 60 win loaded Blazers, the ing Sun's, the prime Spurs led by Tammy s, and the almost 60 win Jazz teams, and tough Sonics squad. You routinley had 6-8 teams in the West over 50 win teams whereas in the East it was only 2 or 3 teams like Miami, NY, and Indiana.

    This is the same reason I agree with Barkley on analytics. Most of it is bull because it doesnt factor strength of schedule and toughness of opponents. Lebron had it easy very easy and so most if his stats and accomplishments are empty and pretty much meaningless to me......just how I see it....dude will never be in the class of MJ and Kobe...i dont care what yall say....

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    Tori is a pornstar, but that 2nd chick is just so much sexier because she looks just like that catch you find at a party on that surreal night and have mind blowing sex with you never forget. The skirt, cleavage, panty shot all in that care-free "you know you want to me" face. I'll go nut off in the corner now.
    cosigned

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    Ur a fkn wanker Venti Quattro's Avatar
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    Kobe

    Eastern Conference

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    Ur a fkn wanker Venti Quattro's Avatar
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    Yeah, because Lebron had such an easy time with the Magic of 2009 and Celtics of 2008 and 2010

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    He didn't have an MVPau, Bynum or Odom to carry him past those teams. His individual performance in the '09 Magic series was insane (he averaged something like 39 PPG on 49% shooting with 8.3 RPG and 8 APG).
    For people like you that just started watching basketball here's a good reminder of just how tough and good a prime Kobe was....watch it and weep....lol dude would have mopped the floor with a prime Lebron


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    Ur a fkn wanker Venti Quattro's Avatar
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    For people like you that just started watching basketball here's a good reminder of just how tough and good a prime Kobe was....watch it and weep....lol dude would have mopped the floor with a prime Lebron


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    He was past his prime here but I love watching this one against a great defensive Boston team...


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    He was past his prime here but I love watching this one against a great defensive Boston team...
    2012 was the last of his prime arc, after losing to OKC, but that's just me. Maybe it was 2011 after losing to Dallas, but he wasn't past his prime in 2010.

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    Here's another good one against a ton of tough covers past prime though....so not as applicable


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    Controversy Koolaid_Man's Avatar
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    2012 was the last of his prime arc, after losing to OKC, but that's just me. Maybe it was 2011 after losing to Dallas, but he wasn't past his prime in 2010.

    Once a player hit 30 I say they're past....

  20. #45
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    Kobe needed that Finals win against Boston though....his legacy would have been hurt had he dropped two to Boston when Magic beat them

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    Kobe needed that Finals win against Boston though....his legacy would have been hurt had he dropped two to Boston when Magic beat them
    And the Lakers would be 2-10 against Boston. Lol that would hurt.

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    Tori is a pornstar, but that 2nd chick is just so much sexier because she looks just like that catch you find at a party on that surreal night and have mind blowing sex with you never forget. The skirt, cleavage, panty shot all in that care-free "you know you want to me" face. I'll go nut off in the corner now.
    WTF?

  23. #48
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    LeBron didn't lift his game against the mavs in the finals, let alone the b2b years against the spurs in the finals

    dunno whether LeBron face better compe ion, he played against bull in the east and cakewalk into the finals

    as for Kirby...u cant compare him to alphas who carried their teams, coatriders need to be mention along the lines with 2nd bananas

  24. #49
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    as for Jordan 72-10...lol padding wins against expansion teams and pathetic easts, the bulls roster was stacked compared to the other teams in the east

    look at how many teams that could've beated that record but chose to slow it down to get ready for the playoffs...

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