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These articles have been coming out for over 10 years now! That's pretty ing ironic.
Dubs won it all last season with basically Bogut as their only center... and he didn't even play much in the Finals, IIRC...
Speights, Ezeli are both listed as Center for them... they're both undersized, and averaged a grand total of under 3 rebounds per game, and < 1 block per game.
Heck, both Boris and West rebounded substantially better than them last season...
They now added Jason Thompson, but I think it's more as insurance for Bogut's constant injury problems.
nigs have been saying the Spurs are old for a decade now
I feel like we'll see West paired with Duncan/Aldridge more often than him being paired with Boris or B
Valanciunas has his limitations, but he's one of the better low post scorers/two way rebounders in the league. Forget the money and focus on percentage of cap. Once it explodes past $100M next season and his extension kicks in, they'll be paying him less than 15% of the cap.
The concern with West playing center isn't so much post defense as it is defensive rebounding/rim protection. Keep in mind, Duncan is only going to average roughly 28 mpg, which leaves plenty of minutes where West (and Aldridge) will have to defend starters, too.
I think last year we were in need of these articles.
Good thing they are coming back.
They play against an opponent. They do not play against your imaginary ideal of what you want a C to be.
Name me the backup C that we need to worry about. Ezeli, Thompson, Montiejunas, Wright, Smith, Adams, or Lyles? I'll take West and Bobo over that trash. Marjanovic has a decent shot then better than most of them.
Really not that concerned with the lack of a backup five. If Anderson gets the final rotation spot, the rebounding will be fine, and smart defense can limit shots in the paint even without a rim-protector.
Bogut didn't play a major role in the Finals, but he did overall.
Ezeli is clearly a legit center, both in size (6-11 265) and game.
Rebounds per game is largely irrelevant, since it's highly cir stantial. Percentage is far more telling . . .
Last season - career: Ezeli: 16.6 - 15.8, Speights: 14.5 - 15.6, Diaw: 9.4 - 10, West: 13.1 - 13.1.
It could eventually come to that against elite teams and in the playoffs, but it would be easier rotation wise if it didn't.I feel like we'll see West paired with Duncan/Aldridge more often than him being paired with Boris or B
Once again, you display a blatant lack of reading comprehension. With the exception of Motiejunas (who, for the record, will split minutes at power forward with Jones; Capela will be their primary backup center and Favors/Pleiss will be the Jazz'), it's not about post defense.
Look, to call a spade a spade, key players being old is a wildcard when predicting for next year. It's not impossible that one or more of Tim, Manu, Boris, West fall off a cliff next season. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's more probable for one of them to face a dramatic decline than, say, Klay Thompson, Blake Griffin, Westbrook or Harden. Just the way of things.
It's not really cir stantial. Really good rebounders do happen to average way more rebounds per game than ty rebounders, especially when the sample size is 82+ games. It's true that minutes do matter, and that's why there's "per 36" stats. Under those, Ezeli does look better, but the fact is Kerr could barely play him. Everybody and their mother are playing small these days.
But even taking you at your word, you're saying "legit center" Ezeli, who barely broke the 10mpg mark last season despite that team having ample garbage time (and after starting over 40 games when the preacher was the coach), barely rebounds at a higher rate than "not legit center" David West? Heck, both Ayres and Baynes averaged over 20 DRB% last season for us.
This really goes to what I'm saying. Either West can be passable on that role against 2nd tier opponents or the Dubs really didn't need a legit 2nd center (which would make the Thompson signing make sense, as they don't really have a passable backup to Bogut).
Plus we did get a 2nd tier backup center... did we give up on that Euro guy yet?
With the odd exception, even the worst rebounding bigs are going to average a decent amount if given enough minutes. That's why average is largely cir stantial and irrelevant.
Ezeli was injured early in the season and with Speights shooting out of his mind and the team rolling, there wasn't really any minutes available. But as the season wore on, his role expanded. He may be a similar defensive rebounder to West, but he's a significantly better offensive one and rim protector. He's also a more than passable backup, which is why there has been speculation that he's in line to receive a 4/$32-40M contract.
I'm not criticizing the West signing, I'm just saying, it's not as hand in glove as it's been trumpeted as being. The fact that the league plays smaller now doesn't mean West can credibly play center; not because of his lack of size, but because his game isn't suited for it.
Plus West fell on our laps... I don't think even the Spurs thought he would do what he did.
I think we're gonna give Eurostiff a good look in the 1st half of the season, and if that doesn't work out, there's time to make a move mid-season to shore that position up if needed.
Charlottespursfan takes:
last yearit's not fair golden state and clippers are gots only reason we lost was cause of lots and lots of injures
this year:another article calling the spurs old and injury prone how dare they media treating los spurs unfairly again
spursfan keep up the
We'll see about NameLess Eurostiff.. in any case, I feel he's oversized
We also should not underestimate the impact of a mismatch in the players perceived as Scrubs.. they might have career nights
I've been wondering are you seriously a bobcats fan talking about the Spurs?spursfan takes:
last year
this year:
spursfan keep up the
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Can't really say I've seen much of him, tbh.... I just rather go into the season with low expectations and hopefully he'll surprise us...We'll see about NameLess Eurostiff.. in any case, I feel he's oversized
We also should not underestimate the impact of a mismatch in the players perceived as Scrubs.. they might have career nights
No question, for a fourth big making the minimum, they couldn't have possibly done better and culture wise he'll be a great fit.
I don't think they'll make a move for a center or that Marjanovic will be given a look, outside of garbage time, or an injury/game off to a rotation big. Still, within' that, they'll see enough to determine whether he's an NBA player or not and whether it's worthwhile to invest in him going forward.
I never said anything about post defense, chachi. When I said they play against opponent, I meant they only have to do better than an opponent and not meet your idealizations of how things should work. Please name me all the wonderful above the rim shot blockers that are riding the NBA pine. And post defense most certainly will play a role with as much as Pop plays his starters.Bogut didn't play a major role in the Finals, but he did overall.
Ezeli is clearly a legit center, both in size (6-11 265) and game.
Rebounds per game is largely irrelevant, since it's highly cir stantial. Percentage is far more telling . . .
Last season - career: Ezeli: 16.6 - 15.8, Speights: 14.5 - 15.6, Diaw: 9.4 - 10, West: 13.1 - 13.1.
It could eventually come to that against elite teams and in the playoffs, but it would be easier rotation wise if it didn't.
Once again, you display a blatant lack of reading comprehension. With the exception of Motiejunas (who, for the record, will split minutes at power forward with Jones; Capela will be their primary backup center and Favors/Pleiss will be the Jazz'), it's not about post defense.
West can log respectable minutes against guys like Griffin and Green coming off the bench. David West is a very good defensive rebounder. He is also smart and is quick to cut off penetration and cover ground on the pnr. Defensively both he and Aldridge are similar although Aldridge has better size. Bobo is also very good in space and vs pnr. We also have a new C project.
This is not Bonner and Blair we are talking about here.
must of touched a nerve with the truth exposing post, two ad homs alreadyCharlotte
You quoted me and then have the audacity to tell me what I was talking about, when it's clear you still don't know. Unbelievable.
The fact that West's game isn't suited for playing center (and no, he's not a a "very good defensive rebounder") doesn't change, whether it's against Cousins or Ezeli; it has nothing to do with low post defense.
I'll say it in bold this time: I'm not suggesting that it wasn't a good signing or that it'll be fatal, but there's clearly reason to believe it could be cause for concern.
So you have nothing to say. That's nice. You don't seem to understand what I am saying. Specifically reread:
So against Cousins post defense doesn't matter? Okey-dokey.
What's so difficult about this to understand?
You're obsession about individual post defense (which I've repeatedly said is no more than a minor concern), when I'm talking about rim protection and defensive rebounding. They're two completely different things.
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