General 2016 NBA Draft Discussion

[Kawhitstorm]

Gary Payton II:

[Chinook]

Pretty much copying and pasting Bruno's OP from the 2014 thread:

Spurs' 2016 draft picks:
Spurs First round pick
Hornets second round pick (top-55 protected)
(Spurs traded their 2016 second for Ray McCallum)


Players available for the 2015 draft:
International players born in 1994 and college seniors are automatically eligible.
College underclassmen and international players born in 95, 96 or 97 (really?!?!?) can enter in the draft.




Key dates:
April 9: Nike Hoop Summit in Portland.
April 13 - April 15: Portsmouth invitational tournament.
April 24: Early entry eligibility deadline, teams can start workouts with them.
May 11-15: Draft combine in Chicago
May 17: Draft Lottery.
? (assuming early June): Adidas Eurocamp in Treviso.
June 13: Early entry withdrawal deadline.
June 23: NBA Draft in NY.


Links:
Draftexpress
Nbadraft
A blog on European prospects
Espn draft page
Wiki on the lottery
Future draft picks
NCAA players stats
Euroleague players stats

[Chinook]

I've unstuck the 2015 thread, but I'll leave it open for a bit longer for people to wrap up discussions.

[jesterbobman]

Thanks for setting this up.

Other Useful Links:
Upside and Motor: the Hardwood Paroxysm Prospect blog: http://upsidemotor.com
Nylon Calculus: HP stats blog http://nyloncalculus.com
RealGM draft rights held: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights

Given the Current prospects, focusing on PG / C - A lot of F prospects on that list above.

My early watch list: (DX Mock 23 Dec)
PG Wade Baldwin (18)
PG/SG Caris Levert (19)
PG Melo Trimble (21)
C/ PF Domantas Sabonis (27)
PG Malik Newman (31)

[apalisoc_9]

Whats the scouting report on SG/PG depth on this draft? I havent dug deep yet for next year but my turkish buddy is going all doo do da da over furkan korkmaz.

NVM, draftexpress early mock draft has him at 11...never.going to happen.

[100%duncan]

Stats of players in the bottom of 1st and early 2nd look good.

[TheCerebral1]

Thanks for setting this up.

Other Useful Links:
Upside and Motor: the Hardwood Paroxysm Prospect blog: http://upsidemotor.com
Nylon Calculus: HP stats blog http://nyloncalculus.com
RealGM draft rights held: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights

Given the Current prospects, focusing on PG / C - A lot of F prospects on that list above.

My early watch list: (DX Mock 23 Dec)
PG Wade Baldwin (18)
PG/SG Caris Levert (19)
PG Melo Trimble (21)
C/ PF Domantas Sabonis (27)
PG Malik Newman (31)

Sabonis and Trimble would add to important needs as would Lavert, but I would think that the fit is Trimble before Sabonis by a hair.

[raybies]

Early picks that I like considering our team needs are mainly point and big guy.

PG's Felder
Big's Sabonis, Cornelie, and Onuaku

[BackHome]

Defense:
Pg: Payton
PF/C Chinanu Onuaku

Offense:
Pg - Melo Trimble (Probably have to do a trade to get him)
PF - Petr Cornelie

My sleepers are -PG - Monte Morris and SF - Paul Zipser

[Man In Black]

Thanks for setting this up.

Other Useful Links:
Upside and Motor: the Hardwood Paroxysm Prospect blog: http://upsidemotor.com
Nylon Calculus: HP stats blog http://nyloncalculus.com
RealGM draft rights held: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights

Given the Current prospects, focusing on PG / C - A lot of F prospects on that list above.

My early watch list: (DX Mock 23 Dec)
PG Wade Baldwin (18)
PG/SG Caris Levert (19)
PG Melo Trimble (21)
C/ PF Domantas Sabonis (27)
PG Malik Newman (31)

Sabonis is such a good call.

[jyra]

My sleepers are -PG - Monte Morris and SF - Paul Zipser

I have watched Zipser this past fall playing for Germany. He surprised me quite a bit with his competent performance considering his age. His game reminds me a bit of Dangubic. Both guys are about the same size (Zipser is probably a bit stronger and has a longer wingspan), quite athletic and reasonably good on defense. Zipser is a pretty good shooter with lacking ball handling skills while Dangubic is pretty much the opposite on that end.

I don't see him as a likely pick as he doesn't really offer enough potential to surpass Bertans/LJC/Anderson but another team could surely take a shot on him. You can always use a 3&D guy in this league.

[raybies]

Maybe Duncan Robinson from Michigan. Lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Gary Payton II, Oregon State guard, up to No. 21 on ESPN NBA Draft board (hopefully b/c of his age (23) most teams will pass up on him): http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/in...tate_gu_1.html


Gary Payton II, Oregon State guard, named midseason finalist for Wooden Award (Poor-man's Russell Westbrook: Only player in the nation averaging at least 17 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 2.5 steals): http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/in...tate_gu_2.html

[raybies]

I'm gonna have to watch a video on him and try to catch a game. His stat line even in college is impressive and he's defender that s a plus.

[CGD]

With Boban and the other Serb we drafted last year I think we're good at C. The combo of Simmons, Anderson, and Bertans gives me hope at long term wing depth in the event Manu retires.

Biggest need is at PG. Hope the Spurs draft another obscure 19 year old from Europe with the 29th pick they can develop over the next 2 years.

[raybies]

I like what I see with sviatslav mykhailuk? I tried. But I'm gonna tune into the Kansas Texas game to learn more about him.

Edit: didn't see him play. But I watched Newman. I think y'all should check him out. Can shoot, can drive and kick. Has trouble finishing around the rim but he gets paint touches. Willing passer. Can defend when he's locked in. Has the tools to be a solid defender. He is having a career game but still. He is a freshman too. Has alot of potential. Could see him being a combo guard in the NBA. Not much of a pick and roll player but in a potential bench unit of Simmons, Anderson, Diaw, and Boban, I think he would fit in very well. I'll be following him more closely now as the season goes on. I could see him moving up out our reach though.

Malik Newman currently ranked #32 DraftExpress

[raybies]

Really like this kid Onuaku. He's a beast around the rim, whether it be rebounding or finishing. Good motor. Alters alot of shots and gets deflections. Very vocal on D. You can tell he leads the defense. He has a developing post game but he seems to have a nice touch with his hook even hitting a turn around jumper. He's a nice passer from the post looking for cutters. He also plays in the pick and roll game setting solid screens and rolling hard. He defends the pick roll well even on the switch. He missed a few bunnies today but I old the effort. He keeps plays alive. He must be very coachable taking Pitinos advice to shoot his free throws underhanded. Improved his free throw shot but still a poor free throw shooter. His free throws do appear to be soft though. Still really young just a sop re and playing for a good coach.

Chinanu Onuaku currently ranked #39 DraftExpress

[AFBlue]

The Spurs have an absolutely loaded roster with plenty of prospects in the system. I know there is uncertainty around some major players returning like Duncan, Ginobili and West. But, I think it's highly unlikely the Spurs will look to the draft to fill those holes if/when they become a reality.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs go international yet again to preserve roster flexibility. I'll have to read up on the crop of potential overseas players...only ones I'm currently aware of are those from last year that withdrew their names like Luwawu, de Paula, and Kaba.

[raybies]

The Spurs have an absolutely loaded roster with plenty of prospects in the system. I know there is uncertainty around some major players returning like Duncan, Ginobili and West. But, I think it's highly unlikely the Spurs will look to the draft to fill those holes if/when they become a reality.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs go international yet again to preserve roster flexibility. I'll have to read up on the crop of potential overseas players...only ones I'm currently aware of are those from last year that withdrew their names like Luwawu, de Paula, and Kaba.

There's really only two in our range, Paul Zipser a small forward from Germany and Petr Cornelie, a stretch for from France. But we'll see who returns up by draft time. There are alot of decent domestic prospects though that should be available. I could see the spurs trading this pick though if they can't get a foreign prospect. We just have so much prospects in the pipeline and a future 2nd or two might be a good idea cause week be needing players on the cheap in a couple years.

Edit:Zhou qi a pf/c from china
Juan hernangomez a sf/pf from Spain
Sviatslav Mykhailuk a sg/sf
Others...
Out of all these I like Cornelie, Zipser, and mykhailuk. Don't like Zhou qi cause typically Chinese players don't do well. Would like to take chance because he's got talent but it would be reward/ bust scenario.

[Chinook]

The Spurs have an absolutely loaded roster with plenty of prospects in the system. I know there is uncertainty around some major players returning like Duncan, Ginobili and West. But, I think it's highly unlikely the Spurs will look to the draft to fill those holes if/when they become a reality.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs go international yet again to preserve roster flexibility. I'll have to read up on the crop of potential overseas players...only ones I'm currently aware of are those from last year that withdrew their names like Luwawu, de Paula, and Kaba.

The Spurs have great depth in their pipeline for the front court, but they have NOTHING for their guards. They need to draft a legit PG prospect in the worst way, because Mills may very well not be a Spur after this or especially next season. And hopefully they can find another Joseph-caliber player at least so they can have someone take over for Tony once he gets too old. There are a number of good PG prospects in the Spurs projected range. They will HAVE to come away with one of them this time. They failed utterly in the draft last year by stashing their pick.

[CGD]

^ couldnt agree more with this post. It's becoming apparent in recent weeks that the Spurs lost a lot when Joseph left, and there is nothing in the pipe.

[loveforthegame]

The Spurs have great depth in their pipeline for the front court, but they have NOTHING for their guards. They need to draft a legit PG prospect in the worst way, because Mills may very well not be a Spur after this or especially next season. And hopefully they can find another Joseph-caliber player at least so they can have someone take over for Tony once he gets too old. There are a number of good PG prospects in the Spurs projected range. They will HAVE to come away with one of them this time. They failed utterly in the draft last year by stashing their pick.

Agreed. It would be nice to find someone with size too.

[stnick2261]

This was my post in April of last year of players I had early interest in. These three are still available for the draft.

I'm not sure who I will really want when draft time comes, but this is a list of my early interests.

George Lucas de Paula - 6'6" PG w/ 7' wingspan
Gary Payton II - 6'3" PG - late bloomer... great defense but needs to work on his shot
Moussa Diagne - 6'11" C w/ 7'4" wingspan - great rebounder / defense... terrific speed, very active

Definitely think we need a big PG who is a facilitator and defensive specialist. I think that fits Gary Payton II.

[Chinook]

If Payton were three years younger, he'd be high on the list. As is, I don't know how much upside he has left. The Spurs should be looking to pick up a guard who can start by his third or fourth year, and I just don't see that upside in Payton.

[jesterbobman]

I think the draft a PG is the best option.

We want a guy who's a #3 (Ray 2.0) in the rotation / after the Simmons / Slo Mo / Patty Back up trio on the perimeter, and a guy who could be a starter in 2 years. Hard (impossible) to get that in FA.

Seems like the best draft options are Trimble and Baldwin, and looks like both are out of the Spurs range.

Choice is kind of Levert (if he falls), an unpolished young guy (Newman, Briscoe, Lucas), or a more polished guy with less potential (Ulis (5'9"), Payton (23), Morris (Not a great athlete)).

I haven't got a great preference among them yet. I'd guess the Spurs don't opt for the great athletes who can't play.