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Duncan > Bird
Duncan >>> Russell
I'm a big LeBron fan, but holy ing , no way he's better than HIV+ and Wilt.
Duncan > Bird
Duncan >>> Russell
Bird > Duncan
DeAndre Jordan > Russell
Hey, Lefty, OT:::why do NHL goalies leave the pipes to pursue the puck? Seems an absurd practice and one I'd think would be banned by the coach.
Nah but I wouldn't take away points from Timmy for the last one when he was not the best offensive or defensive player on the 2014 team. If you are at least a top 3 player on your squad it should count. For example for Boston in 2008 who doesnt get credit for that le? KG the defensive anchor. Allen the space maker or Pierce? I give credit to all 3 but rondo was just a bus driver so to me it still counts but less so.
It doesn't make sense to leave Kobe out of the top 10, but have clowns like Isiah, O-Rob high on the list and Bird above Duncan. It's like ESPN wants to seem analytical while trying to please the conservative crowd at the same time.
I'll take Dirk at 17 tho
LeBron at #3
And now we see the reason why, to hype up their ing Cleveland vs LA2 game on ESPN tonight
Have no problem with number 3 for James but it has to be deserved at the end of his career. Can't give him the number three ranking while he's still playing. Just crazy.
idk I guess it's to increase the average scoring
Goalie leaves the pipes to pursue pucks, turns it over, goal
yep. But I dont care much about these. His peak is impressive. Advanced metrics love him. He has two rings and many Finals appearances even if some are losses. I get we all have our ranks but it's not like he is THAT far from #3 imho. I agree with you, already a top 10 but not sure he is at 3 if he died today. But if I have him ...let's say 7th or 8th that is only overrating him slightly in the grand scheme ...no biggie.
Real, non bias top 10 by a smart guy
1. Micheal coon Jordan
2. Kareem
3. TD
4. Lebron
5. Shaq
6. Aids
7. Hakeem
8. Moses
9. Bird
10.Kobe
LeDecline in the top 5 is hilarious. He had a couple good seasons in Cleveland but ultimately had to leave so he could coattail to some rings. Now that he's in his 30s, he's athleticism is dropping off a cliff and he never had average bball IQ or skills, so he's falling back on his coaching/GM skills...and we all know how those are.
Kobe at 12 is about right
Tim at 8 is a joke, Tim is at worst 5
Midst told me you were a hockey expert.
What has he done to deserve 3....what does he need to do to deserve 3....I don't think he should be in the top 10 on anyone's list...if so I want legit reasons
Who has Lebron led to deserve his ranking....and you better not say Dwade who was a champion before Lebronze came along
I can see the angle of having Lebron at #3, and this is purely from an advanced statistics perspective. It's clear that success in the post season isn't really that heavily weighed when both Wilt and Lebron were ranked that high on the all-time list. That said, I have issues with the consistency of how this was executed.
If they ranked Lebron and Wilt that high, Robinson would be higher because he posted absolutely monster advanced stats before his injuries.
If they ranked players based mostly on advanced stats, Duncan should be higher than Bird and Russell, and arguably even Magic.
I personally won't rank Lebron that high, and it's not for lack of production, it's that 2011 is so ingrained in my brain that really, none of the top 10 players were shut down to a degree like Lebron got shut down by the Mavs (by million year old Kidd and Marion) in the 4th quarters in multiple games of the Finals.
Same with Wilt. The guy was great statistically, but he really is one of the rare players who you can say really choked (Mailman is the other).
Agreed. That is why I said this list was horse . But I dont see the major crime with Lebron over Timmy ... a case can me be made with some metrics and peak numbers though you can make a case the other way as well with Duncan over James.. Honestly either way ...this list is ...
I do think Kareem and MJ at the top 2 pots makes a lot of sense. After those two you can flip most players in any order in the top 10 ... and not be crazy.
sorry Moses at 8 is to high ...he is always underrated but then people overrate him to make up for it by placing him 8th. No he is not the 8th greatest player ...even if you dont count Wilt or Russell.
LBJ is low key ecstatic about this I bet.
Bird shouldn't be in front of Duncan. Everyone else ahead of him has an argument even if I don't necessarily agree.
LeBron isnt 3rd best all time if he ends career today. No ing way
Moses is definitely there. His 83 run is comparable to shaqs 01 run.
Obviously he he needs the rings. I have him 9-11. He has the stats and points. Just need the rings. He gets those, I'd have no problem putting him in the top three, especially going through either the Spurs or the Dubs. Might need at least three more rings. Two is a stretch. I don't think two would even get him passed Duncan, Bryant or O'Neal. Those four final losses stand out too.
Agreed. I have him right at that 9-11 range. He rings going through the Spurs or Dubs, that's big.
1-Jordan
2-Wilt
3-Kareem
4-Shaq
5-Lebron
6-Duncan
7-Bird
8-Magic
9-Russell
10-Oscar
*Giving more importance to peak than longevity
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