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    I don't know man. An R9 380x is the best $230 card and that can't hang in games like Witcher 3, GTA V, and Rise of the Tomb Raider. It's not very different from the framerates a 560 Ti was getting in games five years ago even though 1080p was a pretty high end resolution then while it's a somewhat lower end resolution now. You might have had a case a year to a year and a half ago when you could find R9 290s for that price for a few months.

    How much of that $2000 on your 2007 system was the monitor? I remember paying $1000 for a 21" or 24" Samsung 1080p panel back in 2006. No argument that monitors were crazy expensive back then. CPUs didn't seem a whole lot different though. Conroe was like $250 and you only really got raped if you bought something like Kentsfield, but quadcores were useless for gaming back then, especially considering how new dual core was for gaming. What was the king of the hill gpu back then? 8800 GTX?
    Yep 8800 GTX was the beast back then. I had the 8800 GTS, the one that 3 of my friends had, they all died within 3 months of each other. I was unhappy.

    FWIW, a 380x gets you 39 FPS on Witcher 3 ultra quality. That is not shabby at all. CPU's have definitely fallen off though, no argument there, although VR might change that up a bit in the next couple of years.

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    Nvidia is claiming a 70% improvement for the 1080 over the 980. an X gives a little less than 30% higher framerate than the 980 at 1080p, so that would mean the 1080 would give a little more than 30% higher framerate than the an X.



    I really hope people bench Quantum Break and Hitman with this card though to see how well Nvidia handles async compute.

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    LOL everyone is trying to clear stock on Maxwell now. I got an email from newegg with a bunch of Zotac Maxwell cards on fire sale prices. One of the deals was a $256 GTX 970. If SLI wasn't so ty I'd be tempted to jump on it, but 970 SLI barely outperforms the an X and isn't worth it for all the power used, heat generated, and worst of all microstutter you get with multi-card setups.

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    Man the 1070 really looks cut down to vs the 1080 now that official specs have surfaced, much moreso than any 70 series card Nvidia has ever released. It has 1920 CUDA cores vs the 1080's 2560 CUDA cores; that's a 25% cut in cores. By comparison the GTX 970 had 18.75% fewer CUDA cores than the 980, the GTX 670 had 12.5% fewer CUDA cores than the GTX 680, and the GTX 570 had 6.25% fewer CUDA cores than the GTX 580. Then the GTX 1070 uses 8 GHz effective clocked GDDR5 vs 10 GHz effective clocked GDDR5X like the 1080 has. I'm not so sure this card is going to beat an X across the board now.

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    Man the 1070 really looks cut down to vs the 1080 now that official specs have surfaced, much moreso than any 70 series card Nvidia has ever released. It has 1920 CUDA cores vs the 1080's 2560 CUDA cores; that's a 25% cut in cores. By comparison the GTX 970 had 18.75% fewer CUDA cores than the 980, the GTX 670 had 12.5% fewer CUDA cores than the GTX 680, and the GTX 570 had 6.25% fewer CUDA cores than the GTX 580. Then the GTX 1070 uses 8 GHz effective clocked GDDR5 vs 10 GHz effective clocked GDDR5X like the 1080 has. I'm not so sure this card is going to beat an X across the board now.
    Holy .

    http://videocardz.com/60253/amd-rade...k11-benchmarks

    The AMD 480 is reportedly almost as fast as a 980ti and will be priced under $250.

    If this verifies, AMD just smashed Nvidia in the face with the gauntlet. No one should be buying 1070s right now.

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    Holy .

    http://videocardz.com/60253/amd-rade...k11-benchmarks

    The AMD 480 is reportedly almost as fast as a 980ti and will be priced under $250.

    If this verifies, AMD just smashed Nvidia in the face with the gauntlet. No one should be buying 1070s right now.
    You're reading that wrong, the alleged 480 is between the 970 and 390x. I wouldn't buy it for $250 when 480x looks to be between 980 and Fury for $300.

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    You're reading that wrong, the alleged 480 is between the 970 and 390x. I wouldn't buy it for $250 when 480x looks to be between 980 and Fury for $300.
    Yeah, that's accurate. Either way, they both look to be a pretty good deal. Weird that Nvidia continues to go after the high end market year after year while AMD usually offers more bang/buck around $200-300.

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    Meanwhile... a top rated comment on the Overwatch subreddit post:

    If someone's brave enough to install this, please report back on how it goes. I'm certainly not brave enough to install a new Nvidia driver on day one given their track record for the last few months.

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    Meanwhile... a top rated comment on the Overwatch subreddit post:
    Nvidia had one driver that didn't install right through GeForce Experience a couple of months ago and you had to go into safe mode to disable it. That was a disaster of a release, but the others have been fine.

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    Yeah, that's accurate. Either way, they both look to be a pretty good deal. Weird that Nvidia continues to go after the high end market year after year while AMD usually offers more bang/buck around $200-300.
    I think it's still a big incomplete on grading these cards until the new Christmas season games start coming out in late October and we see whether async compute is going to be important or not. AMD cards tend to have a lot of lasting value, much moreso than Nvidia. But Nvidia tends to usually be better for the first year or so you own the card, especially if you play games on launch. I think it's because AMD rebrands a lot of their cards, so they have to keep drivers optimized for them as long as they're still selling the chips to AIBs.

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    But I still really want to see AMD hit a home run here, because they have some crushing debt payments due in early 2019 that could push it into bankruptcy. And if they don't hit big in the next couple of years they will be forced into mass layoffs over that debt and the driver support will likely be .

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    First leaked 1070 benchmarks: this same source was spot on with the 1080 result I posted in post #33 of this thread.


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    That's an enormous delta between the 1070 and 1080. This card really should be called the 1060 Ti. Nevertheless, that's a huge amount of performance it's going to deliver, just edging out an X, if that leak is accurate.

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    First leaked 1070 benchmarks: this same source was spot on with the 1080 result I posted in post #33 of this thread.

    So basically a an X with less power consumption for $400~? Hard to argue with that. But in curious what Polaris delivers in the $250 range. If it's fury X tier that would be pretty impressive

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    So basically a an X with less power consumption for $400~? Hard to argue with that. But in curious what Polaris delivers in the $250 range. If it's fury X tier that would be pretty impressive
    Nah, it's full Polaris that's rumored to be a little below Fury tier, but air cooled cut down Fury, not the full watercooled Fury X.

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    The NDA for Polaris isn't up until June 29th?

    http://videocardz.com/60373/amd-pola...s-on-june-29th

    How the is this card not close to being ready for sale by now? They were demoing a working Polaris 11 card at CES in January. Are they just getting ed by Global Foundries again? GloFo already failed them in making a 20 nm process in 2013, which is why their Hawaii cards (R9 290/290x/390/390x) ran so hot on 28 nm when they were supposedly designed for 20 nm.

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    The NDA for Polaris isn't up until June 29th?

    http://videocardz.com/60373/amd-pola...s-on-june-29th

    How the is this card not close to being ready for sale by now? They were demoing a working Polaris 11 card at CES in January. Are they just getting ed by Global Foundries again? GloFo already failed them in making a 20 nm process in 2013, which is why their Hawaii cards (R9 290/290x/390/390x) ran so hot on 28 nm when they were supposedly designed for 20 nm.
    Thoughts on the 480?

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    Thoughts on the 480?
    One of the leaked slides from their presentation in Macau has them comparing it to the GTX 970 and GTX 980, so it would be reasonable to venture it performs somewhere in between them. Hopefully it's not just between the 970 and 980 in VR though, hopefully that slide means in standard gaming performance. It could be a nice buy at $200 for the 4GB version and $230 for the 8GB version if so, but if it's just better than those two in VR because of elimination of drawing unseen pixels (the same way the 1080 is 2x the an X in VR, but about 25% in regular gaming) then this card will be a real failure. Reviews don't hit until June 29th, and I'm really skeptical of this card since AMD only showed a single benchmark for Ashes of the Singularity in their Computex presentation. Usually at Computex they hype their new cards to , but this time the head of the Radeon Technologies Group didn't look at all enthused about his chip.


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    A graphic from AMD's upcoming marketing campaign for the RX 480



    The Radeon Rebellion

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    A graphic from AMD's upcoming marketing campaign for the RX 480



    The Radeon Rebellion
    wow... #BETTERED

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    Thoughts on the 480?
    As it's getting close to release date some Firestrike benchmarks leaked seem to indicate performance roughly in between the 970 and 980. Not quite the Fury/Nano level performance people were hoping for (though maybe the 1.5 GHz models could inch closer to that), but that's still pretty awesome for $199.

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    As it's getting close to release date some Firestrike benchmarks leaked seem to indicate performance roughly in between the 970 and 980. Not quite the Fury/Nano level performance people were hoping for (though maybe the 1.5 GHz models could inch closer to that), but that's still pretty awesome for $199.
    Quote from that reddit thread

    Hardware.fr confirms this too. They also have a retail version (Sapphire 480) which exhibits the same problem. They also confirms the power usage going over 150W with both a review and retail version of the card.They added also something interesting, they removed power and temperature limits and tested the card with no OC. (they called it "Uber"). The card pulled almost 200W in Witcher 3.
    Source: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/951-...ergetique.html

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