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dafck amd just increase the prices by $100...
either they are trying to make it expensive for miners, yet they are pissing off the gamers....
, no matter what I buy, my tech ends up on the bottom. If it's the worst, it will be on the bottom. If it's the best, it will be on the bottom. I cannot win.I told you the card was , that is wasn't going to be much different from the disappointing Vega FE
$500 to get beat out by a $500 reference GTX 1080 15 months later at about 65% higher power consumption.
What a piece of . Get in here DJR210 and dance on AMD's grave.
dafck amd just increase the prices by $100...
either they are trying to make it expensive for miners, yet they are pissing off the gamers....
I'm concerned with gpu power consumption. Not because I give a if my power bill is 50 cents higher per month if I go AMD over Nvidia. My concern with power consumption is that AMD can't get it in line, which means they're not a threat whatsoever to Nvidia. There is nowhere AMD can go with Vega. It's completely maxed out with Vega 64 and it's still not enough to touch a decent 1080. While Nvidia was able to scale up their midsize die GTX 1080 (314 mm^2, 180W) into the GTX 1080 Ti (471 mm^2, 250W) for huge gains in performance, AMD cannot go that route. What, they're going to build a chip with a 700 mm^2 die and 400W power consumption to compete with 1080 Ti? Of course AMD can't do that, the card would cost $1500 at least.
The Radeon Technology Group is in such a horrible spot. I would be very surprised if Vega 56 doesn't cost more to manufacture than GTX 1080 Ti considering Vega 56 has much more expensive HBM2 memory and has a larger die size produced from an inferior fab (Global Foundries sucks compared to TSMC), so I doubt Vega 56 has as good of yields as GTX 1080 Ti. And then if we talk the full fat cards, there is no way AMD is producing Vega 64 more cheaply than Nvidia is an Xp. Vega is a total disaster. It's so bad that even though Nvidia has Volta ready to go (they're already making 700mm^2 Volta V100 chips) they're going to sit on it until some time in 2018 for the consumer market. There is no compe ion so they don't have to release Volta until it's cheaper for them to produce than Pascal and they have sold all the Pascal chips they produced. And when Volta comes out it will probably release with a price increase since it's going to absolutely crush Vega.
This isn't like the Hawaii launch (R9 290x). Those cards used 290W also, but they significantly outperformed Nvidia's king of the hill GTX 780 (a 250W card) at a smaller die size. So they were similar in power consumption and probably cheaper to manufacture than GTX 780s were. Even the 780 Ti Nvidia responded with wasn't a huge bump over the R9 290x, especially for $150 more. When I bought my 970 I always figured I'd upgrade it in three years. But I'm not going to pay $400 for Vega 56 / GTX 1070 level performance when the GTX 1070 is coming up on a year and a half old, and there is nothing lower that is anything more than a sidegrade from my 970. If RX Vega was good enough to scare Nvidia at all we'd probably see Volta GeForce cards by October at Pascal prices. Instead we will see them in probably March or maybe even May at higher than Pascal prices (which were already quite a bit higher than Maxwell prices). So yeah, Vega since it's so bad I can only look to Nvidia for a decent gpu upgrade now in 2018 instead of the 2017 that would be more reasonable based on past release history.
Last edited by baseline bum; 08-17-2017 at 07:09 AM.
lol amd vega is fail on so many levels, 3rd party aib cards don't come out till November due to supply side of amd, seems like there is not much gains for 3rd party aib makers...should just drop it altogether
as for NVidia releasing a 1070ti to fight off the vega56, what a waste of resources and extending that product line life...why not just decrease the current stock 1070 and 1080 retail price by 50bucks each give and take, kill off the compe ion...
Wow Intel is coming out hard at AMD with Coffee Lake. This 3.6 GHz i3-8100 with four cores looks to be an incredible value for a gaming cpu at $117. It's essentially getting an i5-7500 for 40% off, and the i5-7500 is a great gaming cpu.
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