For Kawhi to make "other guys better", he would have to be surrounded by guys that can actually make shots (see LeBron's teammates) & Pop would have to let him be a playmaker instead of letting Porker run the show.
Kawhi makes a concerted effort to find Danny when he drives & kicks but otherwise Pop doesn't let him run PnRs w/ LMA nor bring up the ball. There have been times where he get doubled & Porker is the outlet except he isn't a shooter. For example, at the end of Gm 5 Porker bricked 2 WIDE open shots that basically swung the series when OKC was daring anyone to beat them except Kawhi.
If Porker can't make wide open mid-range shots then he's unless when Kawhi plays point-forward b/c he can't catch & get to the rim any longer, which is what happened to him on one of the play in Gm 5 against OKC. Patty was also useless against OKC so basically the team had two unplayable point guards in a league where it's the most valuable position.(If Manu was in 2014 form then he might have been able to mitigate it but alas, he's 38)
Actually, it was Iggy but he didn't guard him much. Although, he ripped him on the most critical sequence of the series:Curry was the best Westbrook-defender in this series, btw
2:06.0 A. Iguodala makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 101-101 1:40.0 101-101 Turnover by R. Westbrook (lost ball; steal by A. Iguodala) 1:35.0 K. Thompson makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft (assist by A. Iguodala) +3 104-101
I think the Spurs need another 3 and D point guard that Kawhi and LMA can play off. TP is not going to cut it and Mills is too small defensively.
Roberson couldn't inflict his will on Klay, tbh..
Klay > Kiwi
Kawhi need diaper in a playoff game, we all know that with Kawhi lead team we will lose every series against any appropriate opponent...
You are stupid for keeping ignore the reality and overrating Kawhi
This guy would lead the Spurs to world domination:
Go back to talk you y takes, lol preferring thunder over clippers!
Stop talking ball please! Everything you saying and predict becoming totally bs ever!!!
They both blew a 3-1 lead but only the Cripples are chokers despite their team being the one w/ the hobbled star point guard!
So, who's the tallest midget...........?
Please, go gas yourself in the chamber. You won't be missed nor your nonsensical troll job.
He shot .415 for the series, had -6 ORTG/DRTG spread, was outrebounded by his point guard who is probably playing on a bad knee
got Raymond also comes out of this squeaky clean, when he was terrible the entire series.
Meanwhile, Kawhi is having to carry the perimeter offense by himself, since none of our in role perimeter players are capable of scoring double digits for two games in a row.
Other than field goal attempts, I'll be waiting for a list of offensive stats you can come up with to back that up. Leonard is top five in efficiency rating. Seriously, it's not even close. Taking a bunch of jumpers doesn't make up for that. It just doesn't. I'll take consistency over streaky every day of the week.
If this is from game 6, I think that was the play where Iggy grabbed Westbrooks elbow. It was a missed call fwiw
meh... Thompson playing lights out right now.. and it's an easy argument to make to be honest
KL has been a scorer for one year. Bet you 20 bucks that Thompson has a higher career PPG and FG% at the end of their careers.
It's like saying some big (D12 for example) regularly shoots 4/5 from the field so he's better offensively than a guy who averages 20. You can't extrapolate efficiency with being able to be a first option. KL will never be a reliable first option because he just can't generate all those points on his own. He's a damn sold 2nd banana though. Just look at how he deferred to TP in game 6, and got his team eliminated. And then look at what Klay did when the MVP wasn't doing a damn thing and his team was down 3-1 and 3-2.
Put it this way. If Leonard gets 25 in a game he's awesome here. If Klay gets 27 in a game in the bay, he didn't do enough most likely. 30-40 is where he's been in the playoffs. Just look at the stats.
His scoring numbers vs. OKC(the only decent team he played against in these playoffs) were virtually the same as Kawhi's vs. OKC, despite having Curry's gravity..
Thompson vs. OKC: 24.7 PPG on 54.5% TS
Kawhi vs. OKC: 23.2 PPG on 55.4% TS
The scoring numbers are virtually the same, despite Kawhi creating way more for himself, and also being asked to do much more(Thompson doesn't do anything outside of score and occasionally defend, where he's a little above average)..
Kawhi is better and still improving. I believe next season we will finally see him take over games when he needs to offfensivley.
Klay has inferior numbers than Michael Redd through ~400 games of their career & Redd was just as efficient despite Klay having played his entire career w/ Curry thus had the benefit of "gravity" & wasn't the primary focus of the defense: http://bkref.com/tiny/umr6q (they both have negative DBPMs:
I never heard anyone saying Michael Redd is an "all-time" great & he was also All-NBA 3rd team just like Klay.
This debate reminds me of when folks used to say Glen Rice was better than Pippen in the mid-90s after Rice came into the spotlight in the '97 All-Star game w/ Jordan in the building:
He also beat the best 3 point shooter of his era in a shootout:
Pippen can't do this:
What actually happened when they faced each other :
His scoring numbers vs. OKC(the only decent team he played against in these playoffs) were virtually the same as Kawhi's vs. OKC, despite having Curry's gravity..
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Klay has inferior numbers than Michael Redd through ~400 games of their career & Redd was just as efficient despite Klay having played his entire career w/ Curry thus had the benefit of "gravity" & wasn't the primary focus of the defense: http://bkref.com/tiny/umr6q (they both have negative DBPMs:
I never heard anyone saying Michael Redd is an "all-time" great & he was also All-NBA 3rd team just like Klay.
Maybe if you had watched, rather than getting your info off some website. Michael Redd was a ing scoring machine for several years, until he got hurt. Of course nobody talks about him being "one of the best", since he only had three prime seasons beyond his rookie contract because of injury. And nobody ever included him in ANY discussions about being a great two-way player - which is what this thread is about.
But, hey, great non sequitur argument. I mean, if I'm ever in need of a totally meaningless comparison, I'll come looking for you first.
Way to take it out of context, my point wasn't that Michael Redd was trash but that if Klay played on the Bucks then NOBODY would be calling him the best "two-way" player besides his defense is OVERRATED!
BTW, Michael Redd was a a more VERSATILE scorer than Klay which is something you can't always discern from looking at stats "off some website" but rather from IN' WATCHING him play.
Klay is a shooter. Kawhi is a scorer. None of the rest of the people are slinging means anything. Klay gets right at 50% of his points out on the 3P line, with someone else assisting. Nothing wrong with that - it's what shooters do. Kawhi only gets 25% of his points beyond the arc, and the rest he's mostly getting for himself - and in the process getting other players better looks.
You people who want to crown some guy king because of a single playoff run have some very selective memories. This year... this ing playoffs... Klay has had games where he has shot: 4-14, 7-20, 7-20, 7-18, 5-17, 8-21, and 7-19. That's the kind of you people want to crucify Kawhi for. You say he hasn't done enough if he doesn't score at least 27 in a game? Well then he's under-performed in 9 of their 17 playoff games so far. See, that's the problem. You remember the good performances, and tell yourself that he does it every night. He doesn't.
BTW- Klay's rebounding in these playoffs? He's had games of 3,2,3,3,1,2,2, and 1. Klay rarely has more than 5 boards, while Kawhi rarely has less. So Klay releases and heads up the floor for easy buckets, while Kawhi stays on the other end wrestling with giants for rebounds, and then grinding out his shots on the other end. If you don't understand what that does to scoring numbers, you don't understand about the game, and you shouldn't even be in the discussion.
As far as Leonard, because he's now widely regarded as a top five player, people expect him to be what a prototypical top five player generally is offensively and he's not. He can't create for others or get to the rim like most of them.
He's still easily better than Thompson though, but to the casual fan, it's all about who scores more.
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