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    Pass-first PGs are probably the most overrated players in basketball, stylistically, tbh..only "scoring SF" is worse..

    In modern NBA history, PGs that play a top 2-3 role on championship teams are always big-time scorers with a shooting mentality, other than Magic..

    -Kyrie Irving
    -Steph Curry
    -Tony Parker
    -Chauncey Billups
    -Isiah Thomas (good passer, but always led is team in FGAs IIRC)
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    You want an old-school PG? Here's one that didn't get drafted. I don't know if he's quick/athletic enough to play in the NBA, but he can flat-ass run the PnR. I started watching him in the NCAA Tourney his freshman year, and he was tough as nails. He would have taken a partially-guaranteed deal, so it wouldn't have cost the Spurs much to have a look at him. He just signed a deal to play summer ball for Toronto, but I think that means he's still fair game for the season. I don't think he'll turn out like Isiah Thomas did at the last pick of the draft, but I do think he could be a damned good backup PG. If this kid doesn't have a place in today's NBA, maybe the old-school PG is a thing of the past anyway.

    If you didn't see him play last year, this is from his Draft Express file, and it's pretty accurate:
    "A steady hand at the point guard position, VanVleet has shown he can be a coach on the floor by being the conductor of an efficient offense, while averaging a solid 16.8 points, 4.4 rebounds and 7.6 assists per 40 minutes. He never gets sped up with the ball and doesn't get fazed by ball pressure or double teams. He keeps the offense flowing and his 7.03 pure point rating is fourth best among all prospects in our top 100. He doesn't turn the ball over by trying to make highlight reel passes, but he takes care of the ball and has displayed great vision and feel for the game as a creator for his teammates.

    VanVleet is a pick and roll maestro, with 58% of his total possessions logged by Synergy Sports Technology derived from him running the pick and roll. He's an expert at using the ball-screen to create space to get inside the arc to make play, often by looking to get his teammates into space to shoot by delivering accurate, on point passes to the roll man, cutters or spot-up shooters. He turns the ball over on just 5.9% of pick and roll possessions and is never rattled no matter what level of pressure the defense throws at him. With the NBA being such a ball-screen heavy offense, VanVleet certainly has the chops to create some points from this play type while he is on the floor."





    Pass-first PGs are probably the most overrated players in basketball, stylistically, tbh..only "scoring SF" is worse..
    You're right. But they can make good backups. You need a guy who can just be steady and not lose ground, and who won't collapse under pressure coming off the bench. A lot of bench PG's are flashy, when everything is going their way, but they go to under pressure. That's why they're backups. But what good are they, if you can't depend on them when you need them most?

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    His method of getting to the rim reminds me of that unbalanced guy with the Grizzlies. The one that blew loving caresses into Lebron's ear.
    Forward then fluid shifts laterally. Dangerous stuff... You can't teach that.

    LOL... the guy whose name you can't remember? And who you remember best for blowing in Bron's ear? He's Lance Stephenson, and he has his moments. He had one good season - "coincidentally" in a contract year. I know you're just talking about the way he handles the ball, but it's hard for me to see a comparison to Lance Stephenson as a good thing.

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    LOL... the guy whose name you can't remember? And who you remember best for blowing in Bron's ear? He's Lance Stephenson, and he has his moments. He had one good season - "coincidentally" in a contract year. I know you're just talking about the way he handles the ball, but it's hard for me to see a comparison to Lance Stephenson as a good thing.
    Lol- yeah. I agree, but I just speak on the way he moves in traffic. It's very fluidly shifty, like Stephenson (TY). It's those kind of movements that cannot be taught. You either got that, or you don't and he does. Now he needs more tools in the shed to be developed.

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    I think a lot of people are missing the immediate importance of just having a defensive PG. I am fine if that is all he provides his first season. Love his potential offensively and all but just having some length to put on the Westbrooks and Currys is enough for year one. Just like when Kawhi came in you do the D first and maybe hit some 3s with Chip's coaching and we're all good.

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    I think a lot of people are missing the immediate importance of just having a defensive PG. I am fine if that is all he provides his first season. Love his potential offensively and all but just having some length to put on the Westbrooks and Currys is enough for year one. Just like when Kawhi came in you do the D first and maybe hit some 3s with Chip's coaching and we're all good.
    agree on the premise, but his defense doesn't seem that great when you watch his DraftExpress "weaknesses" video

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    agree on the premise, but his defense doesn't seem that great when you watch his DraftExpress "weaknesses" video
    Well, length and quickness are key tools in defense (especially length) and I see those. He can be a good defender from what I see.

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    Well, length and quickness are key tools in defense (especially length) and I see those. He can be a good defender from what I see.
    Also agree.... just not in his rookie year, but most likely in his third season.

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    I just look forward to the day we have a new PG leading this team

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    i wouldn't read to much into his offence, it is about to get rewritten from scratch. What matters is that he has all the physical tools to become great. He is also advertised as a good worker, so that's also great.

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    Last I checked Kyrie isn't exactly known for passing but was the best PG in the postseason.
    If he doesn't play with LeBron he doesn't win that championship. Noteworthy that the last championship team's have featured heavily playmaking forwards. LeBron is a freak of nature and HoF talent, but Draymond as a playmaker is super important to the GSW and the last time we won it, Bobo was basically our distributor. I guess the point is If you don't have a PG that does a good job getting the ball to others, you better have a forward who is a good damn playmaker and ac ulates those assists distributing the basketball.

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    If he doesn't play with LeBron he doesn't win that championship. Noteworthy that the last championship team's have featured heavily playmaking forwards. LeBron is a freak of nature and HoF talent, but Draymond as a playmaker is super important to the GSW and the last time we won it, Bobo was basically our distributor. I guess the point is If you don't have a PG that does a good job getting the ball to others, you better have a forward who is a good damn playmaker and ac ulates those assists distributing the basketball.

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    worst thing that could have happened. Kyrie hit that three. Rec leagues everywhere were going wild

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    If he doesn't play with LeBron he doesn't win that championship. Noteworthy that the last championship team's have featured heavily playmaking forwards. LeBron is a freak of nature and HoF talent, but Draymond as a playmaker is super important to the GSW and the last time we won it, Bobo was basically our distributor. I guess the point is If you don't have a PG that does a good job getting the ball to others, you better have a forward who is a good damn playmaker and ac ulates those assists distributing the basketball.

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    He could be a terrific NBA player in 2 or 3 years but he'll need to develop his game and body in order to make a solid contribution to the team.

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    I just look forward to the day we have a new PG leading this team
    That's what I'm talking about.

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    Hope we win one finals between now and when this guy is ready.

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    I just look forward to the day we have a new PG leading this team

    Perhaps you are too young to remember but the Spurs have never had a great point guard until they got the one they have now. I dread the day we have to revert back to del negro, Avery, Johnny Dawkins, rod Strickland etc.

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    Perhaps you are too young to remember but the Spurs have never had a great point guard until they got the one they have now. I dread the day we have to revert back to del negro, Avery, Johnny Dawkins, rod Strickland etc.
    Stop living in the past, bro

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    I just look forward to the day we have a new PG leading this team

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    Perhaps you are too young to remember but the Spurs have never had a great point guard until they got the one they have now. I dread the day we have to revert back to del negro, Avery, Johnny Dawkins, rod Strickland etc.
    Avery was a fantastic PG for us.

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    today's NBA

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    Pass-first PGs are probably the most overrated players in basketball, stylistically, tbh..only "scoring SF" is worse..

    In modern NBA history, PGs that play a top 2-3 role on championship teams are always big-time scorers with a shooting mentality, other than Magic..

    -Kyrie Irving
    -Steph Curry
    -Tony Parker
    -Chauncey Billups
    -Isiah Thomas (good passer, but always led is team in FGAs IIRC)
    What's wrong with a scoring SF? Carmelo and Durant come to mind.

    In the Spurs case, I would think you'd want a passing specialist who won't "freeze out" Kawhi...

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