Bucks: Tim Duncan is the third best player of all time..

[apalisoc_9]

Only behind Jordan and kareem...

Top 3

[Spurtacular]

Second only behind Larry Bird, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

got who called TD nothing more than a stat padder trying to talk.....

[Darth_Pelican]

Short term memory? Amnesia? Schtick change? You already said that Lebron was the greatest player of all time. Suddenly he isn't even in your top 3?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261460

[Spurtacular]

Short term memory? Amnesia? Schtick change? You already said that Lebron was the greatest player of all time. Suddenly he isn't even in your top 3?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261460

OP is ST GFOAT

[apalisoc_9]

I changed my mind about Lebron. He's fourth in the list. People change their minds. Its not a big deal.

[Arcadian]

I changed my mind about Lebron. He's fourth in the list. People change their minds. Its not a big deal.

Good call, I agree. I have Kareem 1 (I have a bias toward bigs), Jordan 2, Duncan 3, Lebron 4, and Hakeem 5.

[apalisoc_9]

Good call, I agree. I have Kareem 1 (I have a bias toward bigs), Jordan 2, Duncan 3, Lebron 4, and Hakeem 5.

No way Hakeem is 5. Don't get me wrong, hes pretty underrated...In large part because of who he prays to...but hes not top 5, imo.

[Arcadian]

No way Hakeem is 5. Don't get me wrong, hes pretty underrated...In large part because of who he prays to...but hes not top 5, imo.

Who you got at 5? I place a lot of value in the peak, and you gotta admit Hakeem's peak was legendary. That's interesting that you say he's underrated but not top 5, because I see a lot of people saying he's top 10, and some even consider him the goat center. So to me, 5 is a perfect placement.

[Pelicans78]

I would put Magic over Kareem and in the top 3.

[Bynumite]

System player, couldn't win outside the system with a stacked team, wasn't the best player on his team for over half of his career, is a cuckold.

[Fabbs]

Schtick change?

good term. Should be a staple around here.

[Seventyniner]

good term. Should be a staple around here.

I'd prefer "schtick shift."

[Seventyniner]

System player, couldn't win outside the system with a stacked team, wasn't the best player on his team for over half of his career, is a cuckold.

Why would you bring Kobe into this?

[ambchang]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. Hakeem
6. Shaq
7. Moses
8. Lebron
9. Bird
10. Wilt
11. Russell
12. Oscar

1. and 2. are pretty much set, 3 and 4 are interchangeable, 5 to 9, maybe 8, is a group that you can switch around. 10 to 12 can be moved up, depending on how much weight you give old timers.

Dr. J, Dirk, Garnett, Robinson, Barkley, Stockton, Pippen, McHale, and Kobe comes next.
Then there are the other old timers like Pet , Neil Johnston and West can be placed in that next-tier group.

[spurraider21]

7. Moses
8. Lebron

[ambchang]

Yeah, maybe gone too far with my Moses love.

But like I said, 5 to 8 is pretty much interchangeable. I should have probably put Lebron on the higher range, in the order of Lebron, Hakeem, Shaq, Moses.

[da_suns_fan]

To play for the Spurs?

[da_suns_fan]

Again, you'd have to be the worlds biggest homer to put Duncan ahead of Shaq and Hakeem.

[I. Hustle]

Again, you'd have to be the worlds biggest homer to put Duncan ahead of Shaq and Hakeem.

You're kidding, right? This is a troll job, isn't it? It has to be.

[140]

You're kidding, right? This is a troll job, isn't it? It has to be.

No, it isn't. Duncan didn't repeat.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hakeem is extremely overrated, tbh..elite 2-season peak that was matched by very few, but unimpressive resume compared to his peers..

It's a product of nostalgia and aesthetics..

Top 3 finish in WS/48:
Shaq- 7
Duncan- 4
Hakeem- 2

BPM:
Shaq- 4
Duncan- 3
Hakeem- 2


VORP:
Duncan- 5
Shaq- 2
Hakeem- 2

PER:
Shaq- 11
Duncan- 4
Hakeem- 4

MVP votes:
Shaq- 5
Duncan- 5
Hakeem- 2


You can list the accomplishments and accolades, and you'll see that Shaq and Duncan are significantly more decorated than Hakeem the Pedo..

[ambchang]

Hakeem is extremely overrated, tbh..elite 2-season peak that was matched by only a few, but unimpressive resume compared to his peers..

It's a product of nostalgia and aesthetics..

Agreed to a degree.

He was always dominant individually, but there were prime years he was finishing 2nd and 3rd teams behind Ewing and a young Robinson because he didn't play in the right system.

Rudy T saved Hakeem's legacy.

[AlexJones]

1. Dad Killer
2. Lebron
3. AIDS
4. Duncan
5. Shaq
6 Hakeem the Pedo
7 Moses Malone
8. KG
9. Kobe
10. Nowitzki

A top 10 list without that certain person* in it? you asking for 100000000 notifications from white posters?

[HarlemHeat37]

Agreed to a degree.

He was always dominant individually, but there were prime years he was finishing 2nd and 3rd teams behind Ewing and a young Robinson because he didn't play in the right system.

Rudy T saved Hakeem's legacy.

I don't feel like looking it up on my phone, but didn't he miss the playoffs during his prime years, too, IIRC?

I'm not one of those ignorant fans that judges players solely by wins and losses(not even close), but an NBA player missing the playoffs in a prime year is a severe indictment IMO, regardless of supporting cast..an individual player in the NBA won't win you a championship all by himself, but he should absolutely be able to carry a team to the playoffs..