Too bad. It was a good read. Although I do enjoy willful ignorance being displayed with pride by others... makes me feel warm and fuzzy about my contemporaries.
So... good show?
I don't think he will 'let' them do anything. You can't force people to stand during the National Anthem. That being said it doesn't seem likely that someone would draw attention to themselves in that manner while on the Spurs roster. It's very un- Spurs like.
This is the most likely outcome. NBA players make TOO much money. Even the role players don't wanna up a future contract. Lebron already said he doesn't agree with the method. And the Spurs FO is all about culture tolerance, but I doubt anyone wanna draw that type or any type of attention to themselves.
Kneeling by a bunch of ing overpaid athletes does absolutely nothing tbh. I understand they are trying to use their position of power to make a point, but let's be serious...
None of the corrupted cops are going to watch that and say...."damn, maybe I should stop being a bigoted asshole because these football players don't want to pledge allegiance anymore".
The problem is a lot bigger and more systemic than that. All this does is just disrespect the values that the United States stands for.
This thread needs historical perspective. The anthem and the pledge are not American in a traditional sense. They are statist garbage, and the Founders would have had none of it.
American ideals were derived from classical liberalism. Classical liberalism is totally incompatible with fealty oaths and idolatry that treat the state or flag like a religious icon.
The pledge was created in the 20th century by a socialist progressive with a lust for centralized power. He and his ilk hate Christians, traditions, mercy, charity and private initiative. They love the State and anointed themselves as the proper rulers. Their direct aim was to adapt military organizational forms to the greater society. Less individual initiative, more service to the state.
The anthem is a gross military poem about blowing things up. The tune of the song is an old British drinking song. It's ridiculous. At sporting events they omit this line: "No refuge could save the hireling and slave. From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave". So basically kill everyone, include (black) slaves and serfs, because...Murica'.
I love my nation and its people, but I strongly urge my fellow men and women to not conflate nation and state. They are not the same. America is great because of the ideas of classical liberalism and its legacy, not any damn flag.
I leave you with the words of Sam Adams. This is not a man that would "stand for the anthem" like a sheep.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Good call bud. Like... mostly.
Then the rubbings and moanings... nobody wants that. #AmIright?
Especially in Texas. We're talking about the San Antonio Spurs, he would remind them that the team represents the city...and the fam of the military bases, too.
I don't believe these statements ring true. These incidents involving police shooting "unarmed" black males are extremely rare. Secondarily each of them have been thoroughly scrutinized internally by the both respective police units and federal en ies. In all but a handful the actions of the officers were deemed wholly justified.
What you have is the media creating a firestorm deliberately because it suits their political leanings, the very reason why we don't hear of any white criminals meeting similar ends as their black counterparts. And as we all know these events certainly occur (300 or so annually).
Rest assure you can go down the list of the major cases that have gotten the most coverage, and each 'victim' had an arrest record - in the case of the NYC fellow a tally of over 30 arrests.
It's a very fabricated movement.
They can't even vocalize what exactly they are protesting - first it's a cry against white racism in police actions towards AAs...but then when it's black officers involved in the shootings (3 out of the 6 officers in the Freddy Gray shooting were black), the call is against police brutality.
Then they're tying it to macro level issues like poverty, lack of education and employment, and overall dissatisfaction in black communities.
I mean huh? What do they want done? Who needs to shoulder the cost? Why isn't the current leader of the executive branch taking a hands on role in facing these issues?
I',m also of the opinion these last two years have done more harm and created more craters for further bigotry towards the individuals/groups who are protesting. It's extremely unfortunate because on a daily basis in real life, I don't see any of the antagonism, anger, or frustration in my encounters. That's the real tragedy.
Actually scratch that...the tragedy is that 8 officers were gunned down in July by two zealots driven by the manufactured angst. It's a damn shame everyone has already forgotten about those shootings.
I very much hope the NBA won't be inundated with what pro football is evidently on the verge of facing.
If so, the league is going to turn off a lot of its paying customers.
There is a whole chunk of American society who buy into the narrative that says that the United States is not a great country, that our ideals and our Cons ution somehow fail to live up to some idealized image of the way things should be. I'm sorry, but even with all of our problems, this republic still offers the greatest hope for decent self governance, our Bill of Rights is still the envy of many people the world over, and our system of checks and balances continues to serve us well. That should be reason enough to stand during the playing of the national anthem; Kaepernick and the copy cats should be thankful they live in a society which tolerates their stupidity.
I truly doubt any Spurs player will jump on this silly bandwagon. The Spurs organization is unique in that every individual from the players to the front office administration are mostly selfless and serving people who are focused on one thing - Winning. Anytime someone is brought in that goes out of their way to draw attention to themselves they usually don't last very long.
I don't think Pop has to say anything to them about this issue. He knows what kind of people his players are and they're intelligent enough to understand that kneeling during the anthem is one of the single dumbest things they could ever do as an individual. Pop and the players know full well that everyone has different opinions on a variety of issues and they are free to express themselves. However, doing it by trolling the whole nation while the anthem is being played is just utterly stupid. It also sends a message to your opponent that your focus is elsewhere and you're not really ready to play.
It also sends a message to other GM's around the league that you seek attention to yourself that can be a distraction to the team and community. So, I really don't expect any of our guys to be kneeling.
By the time the NBA season arrives, this whole kneeling fad will most likely fade away. If these athletes just want to "keep the conversation going", then have a weekly press conference so we can hear if you have anything substantive to discuss. The fact is that they are incapable of saying anything with depth and substance. They kneel because it's fashionable and gives them a little cred in the BLM community. Realistically, how long do they keep kneeling? Do they do it for the entire season with all the media scrutiny and fan scrutiny following them around for 82 games? At some point, teammates and front office people will grow tired of the sideshow and distractions that come with it.
My guess is Pop encourages all of his players to have strong beliefs and convictions as long as they don't distract from the team's mission of competing for a championship.
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I am really glad that you brought up and compared the actions of David Robinson to the athlete in the present situation. David Robinson saw a societal ill and put his money and heart into a solution to the problem of inner city educational opportunities. He put his principles into action. Too bad that Kaep is too immature and selfish to do the same. 1 million is a drop in the bucket - he should use 1/2 of his fabulous salary to improve the lives of those less fortunate - then perhaps what he does will have an effect. He is a total jerk and a hypocrite.
Disagree - 1 million bucks is a drop in the bucket compared to his 110M contract - he needs to walk the walk and put a decent percentage of his fabulous fortune on the line - he is all mouth and no action - a total hypocrite.
Pop doesn't care what they do. That's RC's problem. Pop cares what happens after the tip off.
The issue aside, if there are legions of people who agree then the PR must be pretty good. Also, I do believe that the players are required to stand for the anthem by the NBA, and could be fined otherwise. The same goes for the Canadian anthem.The outrage over this issue has been incomprehensible, too..all this anger over a 2nd-string QB on an irrelevant team that exercised his right to peacefully protest against a symbolic song
There needs to be a PR rep for the entire body of White coaches, btw..that college coach, John Torterella and Tony Larussa have completely embarrassed themselves with their public stupidity, tbh..only surpassed by the legions of people that agree with their comments..
Black on Black crime
Boom goes the dynamite.
These athletes need to use their "power" and influence in areas and communities where these atrocities are occuring. People need to either elect or run themselves under platforms that address these many issues. Change needs to happen at the federal, legalislative, judicial and state level not on a football field.
I doubt a Spurs would do this exact thing, but I also doub Pop would stop someone if they did. Like Dex said, these issues are much bigger and complex than kneeling during the national anthem. I understand the symbolic gesture, but that doesn't help change the systemic issues used to oppress and subjugate minorities.
I disagree with Kapernick's methods, but he has every right to express himself and respect that he's at least trying to bring attention to these matters.
You're a dumbass. A Tom doesn't cause ANY controversy. Massa wouldn't like that. Toms are Oreos, black on the outside white on the inside. Not everyone standing is a Tom, but all of the Toms ARE standing.
I'm going to be real curious to see what these idiots do when they play in Toronto. Do they sit for both anthems or just the US anthem? If they sit for the US anthem but stand for the Canadian anthem out of "respect" then they are even more stupid and hypocritical than I first thought. This so called "silent protest" over this alleged "victimization of blacks by police" grossly pales in comparison to cops who are attacked, shot at and killed every day while in the line of duty. Like 99% of athletes and fair-minded people, we stand for the anthem in support of these heroes and many others like them who sacrifice and fight to keep our country and communities safe everyday.
Kaepernick says his protest is not about any personal grievance. To quote a famous Saturday Night Live character,” Isn’t that special!” The “BLM” campaign against police brutality reminds me of the bank robber who lodged a lawsuit against Smith and Wesson because his gun misfired. It is based on the Big Lie of the fictional “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot!” non-event in Ferguson, Missouri.
One big lie begets another, so now we have that Ferguson “hands up” mythology being given respectability by athletes before a national TV audience, cheerleading from the sidelines by the ESPN network, and a growing list of sports celebrities joining the pile-on. Congratulations, Kaepernick: Fidel Castro and Joseph Goebbels would be proud of your propaganda achievement.
Most team owners and managers are supporting athletes' “right” to interject politics into professional sports; the sports media are hailing them for their "courage"; and sports fans everywhere are just fed up with it all. A boycott of the NFL is unnecessary, because it is committing suicide. What is great about professional sports is that it is a strong unifying force in a divided nation. Now they want to bring those same divisions into the stadium? That’s really stupid. Just remember how unifying it was when the Spurs won their les - the ENTIRE community coming together to celebrate and rejoice regardless of socioeconomic status, race, ethnicity, political affiliation or financial status. It is one of the most beautiful moments that sports brings to us.
Now the NFL is not only tolerating the politicization of the game, it has now gone a step further by announcing a suspension of the rules against displaying personal political statements on players’ uniforms for the 13th game of the season in early December. This cowardly move only adds fuel to the smoldering fire: as surely as the Super Bowl follows the World Series, it will lead to a further politicization of professional sports. KEEP POLITICS AND SOCIAL ISSUES OUT OF OUR SPORTS! We watch sports as an outlet from a messed up world so we can get away from all that crap.
To be clear, the public outcry and dissent over Kaepernick’s antics has nothing to do with his “rights” because no one is suggesting he does not have the same right as every American citizen to express his political views. Everyone has the right to be ignorant and stupid. His right to be an idiot doesn't preclude someone else's right to be openly critical of him and others who participate in this charade. The anger and disappointment expressed by sports fans and millions of others is about his juvenile exhibitionism and inappropriate behavior in disrespecting the symbol of national pride, bravery and freedom itself –our national anthem.
No, you're a dip . Kap is King Uncle Tom and his followers seeking their 20 seconds of relevance are weak-as- sheep Uncle Toms. Massa wants them to stand up do re s and wits like you continue to pay afttention to these in-the-grand-scheme-of-things-totally-pointless Uncle Toms so you don't pay attention to what Massa is really doing.
Seems like you dont have a handle on who Massa really is. In this instance, Im Massa because I just owned your dumb ass.
Great post. I'm quoting the most succinct portions because these are inarguable. Sports and politics don't mix.
You want to make a political stand? More power to you. Apply to law school and get started.
I hope they kneel. Love seeing these fat right wingers get triggered.
Another innocent Black man murdered by the police, tbh..I bet Birn had a great day..
Part of the issue with BLM and these athletes protesting is that it's just too peaceful IMO..unfortunately, at this point, dialogue and ubiquitous coverage through the media has not made any type of difference..violence is the only solution, we need more brothers sacrificing their lives for the cause, which is killing pigs until legitimate reform is initiated..
Holy you're a re . Dallas redux is the solution?
Part of the issue with BLM and these athletes protesting is that it's just too peaceful IMO..unfortunately, at this point, dialogue and ubiquitous coverage through the media has not made any type of difference..violence is the only solution, we need more brothers sacrificing their lives for the cause, which is killing pigs until legitimate reform is initiated..
You serious brah? Dead Cops? Take the
Part of the issue with BLM and these athletes protesting is that it's just too peaceful IMO..unfortunately, at this point, dialogue and ubiquitous coverage through the media has not made any type of difference..violence is the only solution, we need more brothers sacrificing their lives for the cause, which is killing pigs until legitimate reform is initiated..brah.
That would hurt knees on hardwood. Pop cares more about injuries than protests.
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