Greg Olsen is the best TE in the league

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Not many people know that Olsen is within the top ten all time with TD's, receptions, and yards. Most people also don't know that he's in a race with Gronk to be the first Tight End ever with three straight years of 1000 yards receiving.

Gronk obviously is a freak, and one of the more surreal athletes ever. His ability to literally truck stick half a defense is unprecedented.... but he's injury prone... he's not as big to their offense as Carolina.

Obviously this is a bold statement that's going to get flack... but he deserves his props.

5 games in for Olsen this year... 33 receptions... 520 yards.. 103 YPG

[Avante]

Is this...since I can no longer brag on Newton or the team how about....hmmmm?

Obviously you are talking vs other TE's.

As of right now I rank the TE'S

1.Tony Gonzalez
2.Jason Witten
3.Antonio Gates
4.Shannon Sharpe
5.Kellon Winslow
6.Ozzie Newsome
7.John Mackey
8.Gronk
9.Mike Ditka
10.Greg Olsen

Obviously the only ones who can move up on that list would be Gronk, who is the best TE in the NFL and Olsen. Witten won't be nudging out Gonzalez and neither will anyone else.

Kellon Winslow was the first "great" receiving TE and if the Chargers hadn't of had Charlie Joiner (HOFer) John Jefferson/Wes Chandler his numbers would have been way up there.

What you do have with Greg Olsen is the only Panthers who would be in the top 10 at his position all time.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Is this...since I can no longer brag on Newton or the team how about....hmmmm?

Slow down rook... it's been 5 games... Newton has the best record in December in NFL history....

In the Panthers last three years making the playoffs they started....

1-3... finished 12-4
3-8... finished 7-8; made playoffs, won a game

Newton will come back and solidify his back to back MVP with a crazy second half season... but lets talk Olsen

[Avante]

Slow down rook... it's been 5 games... Newton has the best record in December in NFL history....

In the Panthers last three years making the playoffs they started....

1-3... finished 12-4
3-8... finished 7-8; made playoffs, won a game

Newton will come back and solidify his back to back MVP with a crazy second half season... but lets talk Olsen

I did talk Olsen. By the time he retires he will be in the top five all time for TE's.

In the Ron Rivera era the Panthers when starting out 1-4

2011...6-10
2012...7-9

When ya lose to a team you have totally owned for five seasons (8-2) something is broke and needs fixing. And, heading into week six is a lot different than freaking out after two/three weeks like the rookies do.

[DD]

Mah

[Trainwreck2100]

dat's my tight end

[Silver&Black]

The answer is still Gronk, but Olsen is a beast no doubt.

[spurraider21]

It's still gronk. Olsen won't be a hall of famer. Gronk will.

[Avante]

It's still gronk. Olsen won't be a hall of famer. Gronk will.

There is no reason to think Olsen won't be a HOF TE if he stays healthy and keeps putting up the numbers he's been putting up.

[spurraider21]

no. he's never been the class of his position. for the first half of his career he was just a decent player. he's become pro bowl caliber in carolina, but never was the best of the best. never been first team all pro, has been 2nd team all pro twice. very good player, not HOF material

[Avante]

no. he's never been the class of his position. for the first half of his career he was just a decent player. he's become pro bowl caliber in carolina, but never was the best of the best. never been first team all pro, has been 2nd team all pro twice. very good player, not HOF material

I started to say.."if he has 4 more seasons like his last 4, he's in".....then I saw he's 31 years old, I was thinking he was 28ish. So you're right.

Not that his numbers still won't be superior to Mike Ditka, Dave Casper, Ozzie Newsome, Jackie Smith, John Mackey, who are in the HOF.

[Spur-Addict]

Gronkosaurus, not even close.

[Chris]

Gronk is great, but Witten is ballin this year imo tbh fwiw

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

no. he's never been the class of his position. for the first half of his career he was just a decent player. he's become pro bowl caliber in carolina, but never was the best of the best. never been first team all pro, has been 2nd team all pro twice. very good player, not HOF material

Lol he's he class of hIs position now and has been the past three years.. just been overshadowed..

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I started to say.."if he has 4 more seasons like his last 4, he's in".....then I saw he's 31 years old, I was thinking he was 28ish. So you're right.

Not that his numbers still won't be superior to Mike Ditka, Dave Casper, Ozzie Newsome, Jackie Smith, John Mackey, who are in the HOF.

Easy hall of famer just off stats. play another 5 years

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Gronkosaurus, not even close.

Take him ten games a year. I'll take Olsen

[Avante]

Easy hall of famer just off stats. play another 5 years

Not sure how age will effect him, it's always different, a very individualistic situation.

IF....he does play another 5 seasons like he's been playing, yep...HOFer. But, at 35/36 things should be different.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I think the Panthers can get to 9-7 realistically based on their schedule... no playoffs. For instance, they have to play in Seattle.

[Spur-Addict]

Take him ten games a year. I'll take Olsen

He produces more with less time on the field Sounds like an effective worker to me.

[spurraider21]

Lol he's he class of hIs position now and has been the past three years.. just been overshadowed..

you aren't "the class" of the position if you're overshadowed by a guy who actually IS the class of the position.

[spurraider21]

I started to say.."if he has 4 more seasons like his last 4, he's in".....then I saw he's 31 years old, I was thinking he was 28ish. So you're right.

Not that his numbers still won't be superior to Mike Ditka, Dave Casper, Ozzie Newsome, Jackie Smith, John Mackey, who are in the HOF.

Easy hall of famer just off stats. play another 5 years

yes his raw stats are there, and they'll end up better than guys like ditka. but ditka was the class of the position when he was playing, its just that the era has changed.

i mean, do you think mike wallace is a greater player than don hutson because his stats are better? you need way more perspective than that. olsen isn't better than gronk. he isn't better than witten. and he certainly isn't better than gates. i dont think they're going to pump in 4-5 TE's from the same era... there simply wont be room to get him in

[Avante]

I think the Panthers can get to 9-7 realistically based on their schedule... no playoffs. For instance, they have to play in Seattle.

1-4

beat NO
lose to one of these..Arizona, LA, KC.
beat NO
could lose both...at Raiders/Seahawks
beat Chargers
win two of last three

8-8 maybe 9-7

[UNT Eagles 2016]

beat NO, beat Cards, Rams and Chiefs, NO again, beat OAK away, lose in Seattle, beat Chargers, lose at Redskins, lose to Falcons, beat Bucs


9-7


But they're cooked for good if they don't win in the Katrinadome this week.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

basically need to win the next 6 games to save their season, assuming @ Seattle is a loss. Doable, but only if they get their act together.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

you aren't "the class" of the position if you're overshadowed by a guy who actually IS the class of the position.

It's different when the best TE ever is playing - you are going to get overshadowed. But, as of today, and really I could argue the past two years - he was a victim to the hype machine of Gronk (which I admit is deserved but not to the point where the discussion is closed)

Also, I could argue Olsen helping Newton get to a 15-1 season with Ted Ginn Jr as the #1 is better than anything Gronk has done short the SB... but he didn't even play in all the games that year either