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    If he was on a team like Kobe in 05' ,06,07. No doubt he'd be shooting 25 times a game, and your on record saying he's an elite shooter. So yes, your re ed robz no hard feelings.
    JJ Red is an elite shooter. Do you think he'd average 30 PPG on a team?

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    Also, if all we're talking about is averaging 30 points, ing Kyle Anderson could do it. Team wouldn't win a damn game but he could do it.

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    ST claims everybody who is a threat to the spurs or their players overrated, just like kobe fans for YEARS called lebron overrated because he was the guy taking kobe's mantle

    spurfan calls draymond green overrated because he's the next best defender to kawhi
    spurfan calls klay/steph overrated because they're on the warriors, threat in the west

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    JJ Red is an elite shooter. Do you think he'd average 30 PPG on a team?
    do you really think red would be equally productive if he was traded to the warriors for klay? please

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    do you really think red would be equally productive if he was traded to the warriors for klay? please
    No, I'm saying being an elite shooter =! being an elite scorer. An elite scorer can generate points in a variety of ways while an elite shooter can nail open shots at a high rate. The problem is the shooter needs others to create those open looks. Thompson wouldn't be getting many of those if he were the #1 option of a team.

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    No, I'm saying being an elite shooter =! being an elite scorer. An elite scorer can generate points in a variety of ways while an elite shooter can nail open shots at a high rate. The problem is the shooter needs others to create those open looks. Thompson wouldn't be getting many of those if he were the #1 option of a team.
    maybe, maybe not. if you're putting him on a trash team like the nets, maybe. if he's on a team with other players but is the #1 option, i think he'd be fine. he scores in the post pretty well too. the whole "he'd struggle with more volume" was the same trash argument that was used against kawhi before last year. he's not going to be a point guard type player like harden even on a team where he's the best scorer

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    Bad for me? That's what most of the NBA fnas/specialists think. I guess everybody is wrong except a few guys like you and DMC
    I'd take Davis over Harden or Klay and Harden over Klay, but Klay is legit.

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    Klay took a big wet on you and your takes the same day you posted all that nonsense. 60pts from a scrub. lol... embarrassing.
    nice deflection

    Keep up your embarrassing takes, brah.

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    ST claims everybody who is a threat to the spurs or their players overrated, just like kobe fans for YEARS called lebron overrated because he was the guy taking kobe's mantle

    spurfan calls draymond green overrated because he's the next best defender to kawhi
    spurfan calls klay/steph overrated because they're on the warriors, threat in the west
    Steph, KD, LeBron, CP3/Ginger aren't overrated. All threats to the Spurs. Klay isn't in their class. He's absolutely overrated. Raymond isn't really overrated other than by re s who try to say he has a bigger defensive impact than Kawhi, tbh.

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    maybe, maybe not. if you're putting him on a trash team like the nets, maybe. if he's on a team with other players but is the #1 option, i think he'd be fine. he scores in the post pretty well too. the whole "he'd struggle with more volume" was the same trash argument that was used against kawhi before last year. he's not going to be a point guard type player like harden even on a team where he's the best scorer
    Klaynus doesn't have Kawhi's body or fadeaway to overwhelm opponents in the post. He also doesn't have Kawhi's arsenal of midrange moves. He isn't even as good at getting to the rim as Kawhi, even though that isn't even a big strength in Kawhi's game. This is why I laugh when people say Klay is a better offensive player. He's really not. It's a whole different ballgame when you have to consistently create shots on your own instead of playing off of Steph/KD or even Raymond's playmaking.

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    Klaynus doesn't have Kawhi's body or fadeaway to overwhelm opponents in the post. He also doesn't have Kawhi's arsenal of midrange moves. This is why I laugh when people say Klay is a better offensive player. He's really not. It's a whole different ballgame when you have to consistently create shots on your own instead of playing off of Steph/KD or even Raymond's playmaking.
    not sayin klay would be better at it than kawhi. but comparing him to kawhi is setting a ridiculously high bar ... reggie miller was the #1 option on a team that made the finals tbh

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    nice deflection

    Keep up your embarrassing takes, brah.
    Klay played 29 minutes, scored 60 points in less than 3 quarters. Keep running got.

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    Klaynus doesn't have Kawhi's body or fadeaway to overwhelm opponents in the post. He also doesn't have Kawhi's arsenal of midrange moves. He isn't even as good at getting to the rim as Kawhi, even though that isn't even a big strength in Kawhi's game. This is why I laugh when people say Klay is a better offensive player. He's really not. It's a whole different ballgame when you have to consistently create shots on your own instead of playing off of Steph/KD or even Raymond's playmaking.
    What's Kawhi's career high again?

    I'm a believer in KL, not as a superstar but as the best 2 way player in the game. Superstar is a term reserved for people with a lot of endorsements, or Tim Duncan.

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    not sayin klay would be better at it than kawhi. but comparing him to kawhi is setting a ridiculously high bar ... reggie miller was the #1 option on a team that made the finals tbh
    That's about right. Hes probably a Reggie Miller/Michael Redd kind of guy. Poor man's Ray Allen.

    Nothing to get all excited about, tbh.

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    What's Kawhi's career high again?

    I'm a believer in KL, not as a superstar but as the best 2 way player in the game. Superstar is a term reserved for people with a lot of endorsements, or Tim Duncan.
    You think he's a better offensive player than Kawhi, don't you?

    lol idiot

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    You think he's a better offensive player than Kawhi, don't you?

    lol idiot
    I think he can put points on the board faster than Kawhi. Kawhi can probably get you a bucket from more positions. It depends on how you cherry pick the meaning of the term "offensive player".

    If you had both on the same team, which would you want catching and shooting the 3? Which would you think would have the most points at the end of the night most of the time given the same number of touches?

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    That's about right. Hes probably a Reggie Miller/Michael Redd kind of guy. Poor man's Ray Allen.

    Nothing to get all excited about, tbh.
    better defensively than those guys, but yeah sure. which is why he's been a really good #2 scoring option and a ridiculous #3

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    I think he can put points on the board faster than Kawhi. Kawhi can probably get you a bucket from more positions. It depends on how you cherry pick the meaning of the term "offensive player".

    If you had both on the same team, which would you want catching and shooting the 3? Which would you think would have the most points at the end of the night most of the time given the same number of touches?
    As a spot-up shooter I'd take Klay, sure.

    Given the same amount of touches, in the same situation (aka without all-world players to play off of) it's Kawhi, easily. I don't care if you're more explosive and can score 60 when playing off others, you aren't a better offensive player than a guy that is superior at getting points on his own when defenses are focused primarily on him.

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    As a spot-up shooter I'd take Klay, sure.

    Given the same amount of touches, in the same situation (aka without all-world players to play off of) it's Kawhi, easily. I don't care if you're more explosive and can score 60 when playing off others, you aren't a better offensive player than a guy that is superior at getting points on his own when defenses are focused primarily on him.
    That's homerism talking. It's the same way people put Kobe in the top 5 all time over at LG.com. Kawhi is probably the best defender in the league, still. He's not even close to being the best offensive player in the league. Klay is a much better offensive player than Kawhi, right now. That could change based on KL's work ethic and the amazing results he gets from his effort, but right now, he's too inconsistent to be considered a great offensive player. He's good, no doubt, but Klay can carry a team on offense. KL cannot. He can do well some times, but he can never do Klay level good.


    But you're a Bernie guy. It's understandable you'd be easily misled.

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    That's homerism talking. It's the same way people put Kobe in the top 5 all time over at LG.com. Kawhi is probably the best defender in the league, still. He's not even close to being the best offensive player in the league. Klay is a much better offensive player than Kawhi, right now. That could change based on KL's work ethic and the amazing results he gets from his effort, but right now, he's too inconsistent to be considered a great offensive player. He's good, no doubt, but Klay can carry a team on offense. KL cannot. He can do well some times, but he can never do Klay level good.


    But you're a Bernie guy. It's understandable you'd be easily misled.
    spot-up shooters that play off of others can carry teams on offense now apparently

    Get back to me when he does anything close to this on his own team. If he can score 60 in 30 mins, while creating most of those shots with his own individual greatness then you'll have a point. Too bad he can't. He ain't Kobe or Tmac. Far from it. Kawhi is a better offensive player and it's not close. He's averaging more points on the same amount of FGAs even after the 60 pt game. More FTAs but that's expected as Klay ain't getting to the line spotting-up on the perimeter while other guys on his team put pressure on defenses.
    Last edited by FkLA; 12-06-2016 at 05:42 PM.

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    spot-up shooters that play off of others can carry teams on offense now apparently

    Get back to me when he does anything close to this on his own team. If he can score 60 in 30 mins, while creating most of those shots with his own individual greatness then you'll have a point. Too bad he can't. He ain't Kobe or Tmac. Far from it. Kawhi is a better offensive player and it's not close. He's averaging more points on the same amount of FGAs. More FTAs but that's expected as Klay ain't getting to the line spotting-up on the perimeter letting other guys put pressure on defenses.
    Put KL on a team with Curry and Durant. See how his points total suffers. Who do you think will be the "guy" on offense if KL, Durant and Thompson were on the same team? Would they force the KL iso play, as you said, 99% of the time iso from top of the key?

    It all depends on what the team around him is told to do. If plays are drawn up for KL, KL is going to score pretty well, but the team won't get that far because although he's had sparks of brilliance on offense, he's a defensive minded player who often recedes back into his hiding place on defense (if you can call it that). If you said you were going to feed Klay every trip and make the opponent stop him, how well would he do? Could he score in more ways than spot up 3s? He can attack the rim, doesn't very often but he can. He doesn't because the plan doesn't call for it. Steph spends more time under the rim than Klay does. That's by design and why Steph gets more rebounds than guys bigger than him.

    So you think Michael Redd and Reggie Miller were worse offensive players than Kawhi?

    Anyone can carry a team. Where they end up is the question.

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    better defensively than those guys, but yeah sure. which is why he's been a really good #2 scoring option and a ridiculous #3
    They won a le without him showing up in the Finals so I wouldn't even call him a really good #2. Raymond probably had a bigger offensive impact due to his playmaking. Klay doesn't suck he's just held in way higher regard than his game deserves.

    Not directed at you, but as I'm typing this Doc is on PTI saying he scored his 60 pts while having the ball in his hands a total of 88 seconds. ing glorified spot-up shooter.

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    if kawhi is a superstar than so is Klay...thats not me trying to knock him but Klay is waaaay better shooter and his defense is not that far below leonards

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    KL is an elite 3 and D player that's been shoe-horned into a scorer's role based on team necessity. Take away his points off of his incredible defense and he's a mediocre offensive player. He's not a natural scorer. In that regard, Klay is also and elite 3 and D player but worse on defense, better on offense if you consider he leans on his strengths like KL does. KL has a huge portfolio of options and his strength is that he can go to any of them, but he's not the 3pt shooting threat Klay is, needs more space and time to get it off, but he's deadly when he does. He's a better pull up shooter by far and it's not really even close near the basket with the edge going to KL. However Klay's pull up in transition is so fast and deadly that he gets the nod from me at least. In reality those two are quite close and the numbers support that, and they'd make a great tandem but neither of them is overrated.

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