simple question tbh ... assuming argentina qualify
simple question tbh ... assuming argentina qualify
all going down hill.
Let me ask Di Stefano and Cruyff
No, he'll still be the greatest player of all time. When you see how bad Argentina was without him, it's not his fault.
Plus International football has been pretty crap for some time now.
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he was never in the discussion to begin with
Since Pele and Diego, goat talk has never included Di Stefano or Cruyf, this goat talk still does not include Messi but Messi is not done yet with football
I don't think there's a GOAT since you can't compare different eras. That's why most people name a group of 3-5 players as the elite.
Christ. The midget bandwagon is so unbelievably delusional
How can they still blame his NT teammates when midget was directly and mainly responsible for Argentina being short one Copa America when he missed his penalty, while his teammates stepped up and did their job.
Well some people atribute a cup win to a guy who played less than 10% of the final.
He's top 10, tbh... by the numbers alone... that's not a bad place to be... (and I'm not a homer, tbh, partial to Diego in this convo)
Zidane and Ronaldo (P) are closer to the top 20 tier... which is not a bad place to be either, tbh...
- multiple rings at all possible levels and declared by ronaldo/rivaldo/figo and the like as the most talented they ever played with.
- probably some of the best WC performances in history
- zidane combines individual brilliance with a xavi level control of the game, at the highest level you need control more than the ability to score 15 goals against osausuna and venezuela.
- his on/off impact on france was
- this is coming from a german.
there isn't ONE player in the history of the game that I'd take over peak zidane. not one.
fans of Zidane need to remember the following when criticizing Missi...
- Moved from Bordeaux to the reigning CL winner Juventus (basically pulling a Lebron)
- Was shut down by Paul Lambert (who?) in the following CL Final, which Juve lost against Dortmund (lmao)
- One year later, he again makes the CL Final and loses again, now to Real Madrid.
- Next year he doesn't win the Scudetto and loses in the CL group stage after headbutting and getting banned.
- After that, he pulls a KD, and joins the stacked team that beat him, Real Madrid.
- He's already on the decline in 2006, announcing his retirement soon, starts stat-padding and record his first career hat-trick that year.
- Quit on his team in the 2006 World Cup final with another headbutt, which France lost.
It would be wise to remember this niglet lost more CL Finals than he actually won, and as many WC Finals as he won.
This is not even hate, Zizou was an incredible talent, but it's a disservice not to tell the whole story, tbh...
That being said, the reality is that at the super top level where all teams have solid rosters you don't need a hat-trick threat but a great individual player that is also a cerebral presence to WIN as a team. (like a xavi + iniesta). That's why I take zidane over all. Yes he had his chokes, you are right tbh, nobody is perfect and that '06 headbutt was really sad tbh, but you can argue like you had against him against everybody in the top 10:
- pele didn't even play against the best competition and had the most stacked team possible full of forgotten greats. He was never truly tested and when he was missing there were other greats ready to carry the team. Imo the bill russell of football.
- maradonna quit on his career not on just a single match. inconsistent, hard to coach, etc.
- fat ronaldo has some horrible chokes and his longevity is poor (health).
- misty hasn't won diddly squat, not ONE fucking lousy goal in a final and he didn't beat ONE good team, even missed at penaldos. even got cucked at home by brasil. this niglet has collected a world class string of Ls. If he didn't play at the godly stacked barca he'd be just another penaldo. Winning it all at barca with another 3-4 top 10 players in the game is nothing of historical worth tbh.
-cruyff is the father of all chokers with more than one can count, but at least he scored in a final ... tbh.
-puskas and di stefano played in the black and white era, sorry but I can't even compare the game back then to what we got today
-beckenbauer is the best leader out of the group but isn't as impactful individually.
-platini isn't even worthy of this list
-penaldo .. at least he sidenaldoed a euro tbh
Like it or not zidane has the most complete club+NT resume in the toughest era, and his game is the easiest to adapt to in term of teamplay, he is always useful and is very hard to freeze out of games (pele/misty/cruyff have been historically frozen by making them go deep in their half for the ball). His on-off for all his teams is significantly larger than missi's. He is also the 2nd best leader out of crop. He can defend, is an aerial threat, isn't a ballhog, tactically astute, can work in various systems, just a great piece all around with the individual brilliance to match anybody on this list.
But...but...but....Missi dominated Panama, Venezuela, USGay
USGay had no business being in the semis after being schooled by Colombia in the group stage & lucking out by drawing Ecuador in the KO stage.
Too bad Di Maria wasn't a 100% fit to carry the midget in the Final.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 01-14-2017 at 08:49 PM.
Zidane was a beast and the GOAT. He needed to come back 2006 and carried France to the final after he was out in 2002 (injured, played only the last game).
He's the best player I have ever seen and objectively looking at the stats the only guy that seems to have come close to his level of individual dominance is Pele, tbh.
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