THE UNDISPUTED GOAT

[Silver&Black]

Rivers led the Chargers to a double-digit comeback and OT win against the same Falcons team this season - and unlike Brady, he did it in Atlanta, with a garbage coaching staff and garbage team around him

I even called that comeback in the gamethread that week, just like I called the Patriots' comeback.

He also threw the back-breaking pick against Tampa...at home IIRC.

[DAF86]

Btw, I'm not a Manning fanboy.

[Clipper Nation]

He was allowed to be the offensive coach on teams that sucked with coaches that sucked even more. If he had found, on his rookie season, a strong coaching figure with immediate success he would have done what they told him to do. I think he proved in his last season that he would gladly accept game managing tasks if hia team wins, tbh.

"Allowed"

No, he demanded it because he was an egotistical diva. He refused to give up control until he was washed-up, old and could no longer throw a football.

[DarrinS]

I hate to admit it, but he's the GOAT.

[Will Hunting]

This clutchness doesn't exist thing is definitely a new one from the Manning fans ....are you saying that certain people don't get more apprehensive/nervous in big moments than other people do?

[DAF86]

"Allowed"

No, he demanded it because he was an egotistical diva. He refused to give up control until he was washed-up, old and could no longer throw a football.

Do yoi reallu think he would have such demands, AS A ROOKIE, under a strong coaching figure such as Belichick and on a winning team? I pretty much doubt it.

Besides, Manning was only the "coach" on the offensive side of the ball and he didn't do so bad there. belichick's defense (and cheating) would have still taken him to playoffs success on his earlier days.

[DAF86]

This clutchness doesn't exist thing is definitely a new one from the Manning fans ....are you saying that certain people don't get more apprehensive/nervous in big moments than other people do?

I said "clutchness" doesn't exist. Never said anything about "chokeness", tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

He also threw the back-breaking pick against Tampa...at home IIRC.

Travis Benjamin choked harder than Rivers that game. Give Rivers a coaching staff, an O-line, and receivers who can catch (they don't even need to be superstars) and he won't force nearly as many picks.

[Silver&Black]

This clutchness doesn't exist thing is definitely a new one from the Manning fans ....are you saying that certain people don't get more apprehensive/nervous in big moments than other people do?

Of course there is such a thing as being "clutch". And it doesn't only apply to sports.

Even in everyday America. Some people do their best work under extreme pressure/deadlines....some people fold like a cheap lawn chair.

[Clipper Nation]

Do yoi reallu think he would have such demands, AS A ROOKIE, under a strong coaching figure such as Belichick and on a winning team? I pretty much doubt it.

Yes, I do. Fivehead was an arrogant diva his entire career. You think he would have trusted a Cleveland Browns reject HC?

Besides, Manning was only the "coach" on the offensive side of the ball and he didn't do so bad there.

The Peyton offense produced zero rings and the NFL record for most one-and-dones. The only rings Peyton has are the ones that his defense dragged him to, broke back belly draggin'.

[DAF86]

Yes, I do. Fivehead was an arrogant diva his entire career. You think he would have trusted a Cleveland Browns reject HC?


The Peyton offense produced zero rings and the NFL record for most one-and-dones. The only rings Peyton has are the ones that his defense dragged him to, broke back belly draggin'.

Well, under Belichik he would have been dragged to more. To the point of maybe call him the "undisputed GOAT", tbh.

[Will Hunting]

Do yoi reallu think he would have such demands, AS A ROOKIE, under a strong coaching figure such as Belichick and on a winning team? I pretty much doubt it.

Besides, Manning was only the "coach" on the offensive side of the ball and he didn't do so bad there. belichick's defense (and cheating) would have still taken him to playoffs success on his earlier days.

Why do you keep acting like Belichick was this strong and proven head coach when Brady took over? Up until that point his only history as a head coach was a failed stint in Cleveland and no playoff success to speak of....there's no ing way Manning would have respected someone with the resume Belichick had at the time.

[DarrinS]

Oh, and Edelman >> Welker

[Clipper Nation]

Well, under Belichik he would have been dragged to more. To the point of maybe call him the "undisputed GOAT", tbh.

Props for admitting that Fivehead needed to be carried to role-player rings by stacked defenses instead of leading his teams to rings as the alpha.

[Will Hunting]

I said "clutchness" doesn't exist. Never said anything about "chokeness", tbh.

So wouldn't someone with less "chokeness" have more "clutchness" than the person with the more "chokeness"?

[DAF86]

Why do you keep acting like Belichick was this strong and proven head coach when Brady took over? Up until that point his only history as a head coach was a failed stint in Cleveland and no playoff success to speak of....there's no ing way Manning would have respected someone with the resume Belichick had at the time.

But he had success with the Pats after one season. Success is what makes a player follow orders, tbh.

[DAF86]

Props for admitting that Fivehead needed to be carried to role-player rings by stacked defenses instead of leading his teams to rings as the alpha.

Son, I'm no Manning fan. I'm just trying to explain how cir stances play a huge role and how Brady is the luckiest player ever (besides being great too, of course).

[Clipper Nation]

But he had success with the Pats after one season. Success is what makes a player follow orders, tbh.

He was 5-11 and last place in the AFC East after one season in Foxboro, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

Of course there is such a thing as being "clutch". And it doesn't only apply to sports.

Even in everyday America. Some people do their best work under extreme pressure/deadlines....some people fold like a cheap lawn chair.

I was going to say this, we see clutchness in everyday life. In school, everyone either was the person or had a friend who for whatever reason was a natural test taker, while we also had the friend who would study his/her ass off but would then his/her pants during the test. Same people handle pressure much better than others do, plain and simple.

[Clipper Nation]

Son, I'm no Manning fan. I'm just trying to explain how cir stances play a huge role and how Brady is the luckiest player ever (besides being great too, of course).

I've seen your posts on Fivehead in the past. You're a fanboy. Brady is extremely lucky and isn't the GOAT, but he's still a lot closer to GOAT status than your boy will ever be. The only thing that Peyton is the GOAT at is choking.

[Will Hunting]

But he had success with the Pats after one season. Success is what makes a player follow orders, tbh.

what? The Patriots went 5-11 the year before Brady took over, there wasn't any reason for Belichick to command more respect than Jim Mora commanded from Peyton when Peyton was drafted.

[DAF86]

So wouldn't someone with less "chokeness" have more "clutchness" than the person with the more "chokeness"?

I guess you could look at it that way. But then again what really is having less "chokeness"? Had the Seahawks and Falcons ran the ball when they had to run the ball would Brady be more a choker for having a losing record on SB games? Is Lebron a chocker? If you choke once, does it mean you are a choker? How much does early succes takes pressure away and allows you to have "less chokeness"?

[DAF86]

I've seen your posts on Fivehead in the past. You're a fanboy. Brady is extremely lucky and isn't the GOAT, but he's still a lot closer to GOAT status than your boy will ever be. The only thing that Peyton is the GOAT at is choking.

Dude, I'm not a fanboy. I just fight his cause because I think he's unfairly criticised for lack of team success. If he was unfairly hyped I would make cases against him. In fact, I was a Manning hater in the early beginning and I wanted him to lose (even to the Patriots), I ed and moaned when he got his gifted SB MVP. Trust me, I've never been a Manning fan (old timers know that I'm a fan of mobile QBs and started posting here as a Vickand and Vince Young fan), I just believe in extending my hand to a man that is down, specialky if I think that man is unfairly beinf put down.

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, I'm not a fanboy. I just fight his cause because I think he's unfairly criticised for lack of team success.

Fivehead tried to make himself a one-man team his whole career. You can't demand full control of the team, take all the credit for wins and then fall back on the "it's a team sport" card after the annual chokejob. Plus, Peyton was a major contributor to the lack of team success with how he shriveled up in the playoffs every year.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

He's the GOAT, still a got though.