Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Spurs Homer]

Not in Russia.

[DMC]

My comments prior to your chiming in was precisely about the complaints of the media and the GOP - that Dems had some ulterior motive for investigating trump - or that dems should need REASONS for investigating crimes -

my comments are about the ridiculous premise that Dems should pussyfoot around the issue of investigating a criminal - when there is already proof/evidence in plain view of crimes and possible crimes committed.

We already know that trump committed campaign felony violations.
There is strong evidence of a bunch of other felonies - that need to be investigated - no matter how many investigations it takes.

Why would you investigate someone who's already been convicted?

Evidence of something isn't proof of something. There's su ion so they investigate to see if a crime was committed.

[Spurs Homer]

How do you know crimes were committed? The investigation is to see if there was a crime. It's not like there's a dead body and the authorities are looking for the suspect.

A tape where trump/cohen discussed the hush pymts
copy of signed checks signed in the oval ofc
porn star and her lawyers account
trump lying about it
SDNY filing it in court and CONVICTING COHEN on the crime and naming Individual-1 as his co conspirator who directed the crime.

but

yeah

not really any evidence if you are a trump defender.

[DMC]

A tape where trump/cohen discussed the hush pymts
copy of signed checks signed in the oval ofc
porn star and her lawyers account
trump lying about it
SDNY filing it in court and CONVICTING COHEN on the crime and naming Individual-1 as his co conspirator who directed the crime.

but

yeah

not really any evidence if you are a trump defender.

Then what is being investigated and what's the possible outcomes?

[djohn2oo8]

How do you know crimes were committed? The investigation is to see if there was a crime. It's not like there's a dead body and the authorities are looking for the suspect.

Because people involved in the crime have plead guilty and have implicated others which has involved an investigation.

[DMC]

Because people involved in the crime have plead guilty and have implicated others which has involved an investigation.

To discover what exactly? If they have the evidence others are guilty, why conduct an investigation?

[Spurs Homer]

Then what is being investigated and what's the possible outcomes?

Trumps crimes -

either the evidence supports an indictment or impeachment -

or

it doesn't.

[djohn2oo8]

To discover what exactly? If they have the evidence others are guilty, why conduct an investigation?

In Cohen’s case, to discover who directed the payments. Etc.

[Spurs Homer]

To discover what exactly? If they have the evidence others are guilty, why conduct an investigation?

Because this is still the USA and it is done this way.

Due process

[DMC]

Trumps crimes -

either the evidence supports an indictment or impeachment -

or

it doesn't.

What do you mean, I thought you said he committed a crime. What would they possibly find to make a known crime impeachable or indictable that isn't that way already (since it's already a known crime)?

[DMC]

In Cohen’s case, to discover who directed the payments. Etc.

Cohen is already sentenced. What other crimes are known to exist right now that no one has been indicted for?

[DMC]

Because this is still the USA and it is done this way.

Due process

What does due process mean when you already know the person is guilty of a crime?

[djohn2oo8]

Cohen is already sentenced. What other crimes are known to exist right now that no one has been indicted for?

Cohen made those payments at the behest of the President and that is a crime to direct someone to do so. Sorry buddy. You will sit back and watch these investigations and like it

[DMC]

What about you giggles, do you have the solution to how an already established criminal would be investigated for the crime he's already been found guilty of?

[DMC]

Cohen made those payments at the behest of the President and that is a crime to direct someone to do so. Sorry buddy. You will sit back and watch these investigations and like it

So then why the investigation?

[DMC]

Cohen claims he made those payments at the behest of the President and that is a crime to direct someone to do so. Sorry buddy. You will sit back and watch these investigations and like it

So then why the investigation?

See in red the part you omitted. It's not trivial.

[TSA]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the alleged brokerage deal.

Question pending, TSA.

Do you have an earlier source for the Rosneft privatization numbers, TSA?

Yes or no.

You're being an enormous pussy right now.

That quote is directly from the Steele dossier. I haven’t looked for an earlier source.

Are the Rosneft numbers the only thing Steele got correct that wasn’t already public knowledge?

[Pavlov]

That quote is directly from the Steele dossier.

Your understanding of that quote is .

I haven’t looked for an earlier source.

Are the Rosneft numbers the only thing Steele got correct that wasn’t already public knowledge?

First thing I thought of. Good enough to disprove your contention.

[Spurs Homer]

What do you mean, I thought you said he committed a crime. What would they possibly find to make a known crime impeachable or indictable that isn't that way already (since it's already a known crime)?

If it was me - he would be imprisoned already.

But there is 33% of the population - your people -
who will howl 24/7 if the evidence/proof isn't overwhelming - and even then - they will look past crimes that are proven.

They already have - just read this thread -

you and your cult will defend him no matter what crimes are proven.

So the Dems are following the rule of law by the book so that when it is all over - it won't just be a waste of time and the country is torn apart even further by idiots who will label the crimes

process crimes
witch hunts
fake news



so even though we have a criminal in office - we need ALL the evidence to be presented in its complete form.

Say they try for impeachment - just on the hush money payments - right now -

you and Fox news will parrot 24/7 that the country was doing so great until the witch hunt found a "process crime" that no one cares about and about a porn star that was only out for money and was paid by the democrats to bring down a president and you will parrot 24/7 how poor little trump was a victim of the deep state ..blah-blah -


so keep acting like you really care about the evidence and the rule of law and keep defending your white supremacist traitor fraud president.

[TSA]

Your understanding of that quote is .

First thing I thought of. Good enough to disprove your contention.

Are you going to prove the Rosneft numbers from the Steele dossier were not public knowledge at the time his report was written?

[TSA]

If it was me - he would be imprisoned already.

But there is 33% of the population - your people -
who will howl 24/7 if the evidence/proof isn't overwhelming - and even then - they will look past crimes that are proven.

They already have - just read this thread -

you and your cult will defend him no matter what crimes are proven.

So the Dems are following the rule of law by the book so that when it is all over - it won't just be a waste of time and the country is torn apart even further by idiots who will label the crimes

process crimes
witch hunts
fake news



so even though we have a criminal in office - we need ALL the evidence to be presented in its complete form.

Say they try for impeachment - just on the hush money payments - right now -

you and Fox news will parrot 24/7 that the country was doing so great until the witch hunt found a "process crime" that no one cares about and about a porn star that was only out for money and was paid by the democrats to bring down a president and you will parrot 24/7 how poor little trump was a victim of the deep state ..blah-blah -


so keep acting like you really care about the evidence and the rule of law and keep defending your white supremacist traitor fraud president.

Why have you lost faith in Mueller and his team?

[Pavlov]

Are you going to prove the Rosneft numbers from the Steele dossier were not public knowledge at the time his report was written?

I haven't seen anything predicting those numbers before it and the dossier was submitted before Rosneft went public.

Looks like you got your work cut out for you.

[DMC]

If it was me - he would be imprisoned already.

Earlier it was about rule of law for you. Now it's just mob rule.

It's not you.

But there is 33% of the population - your people -
who will howl 24/7 if the evidence/proof isn't overwhelming - and even then - they will look past crimes that are proven.

I don't know how strong the evidence is. It's not important to my point which is that you cannot simply say a crime was committed before the investigation and discovery process has taken place. It's possible there was a crime, but that's what the investigation is for. If you're going to indict someone sans investigation then there's really no need for one.

They already have - just read this thread -

you and your cult will defend him no matter what crimes are proven.

So the Dems are following the rule of law by the book so that when it is all over - it won't just be a waste of time and the country is torn apart even further by idiots who will label the crimes

process crimes
witch hunts
fake news

You're like a caricature of a troll. You're way too emotionally invested in this, to the point where you lack rationale. People like you are why we're in this situation to begin with, the mindless drone mentality of partisanship. I cannot believe you created an alt for this stupid .

so even though we have a criminal in office - we need ALL the evidence to be presented in its complete form.

You obviously don't know how the system works and since most of the attorneys here are liberal, they won't chime in to correct you.

Say they try for impeachment - just on the hush money payments - right now -

Go for it, that's always their prerogative. It just requires a vote, not a court.

you and Fox news will parrot 24/7 that the country was doing so great until the witch hunt found a "process crime" that no one cares about and about a porn star that was only out for money and was paid by the democrats to bring down a president and you will parrot 24/7 how poor little trump was a victim of the deep state ..blah-blah -

Everyone who has a level head is the problem here, isn't that right Boutons lite.

so keep acting like you really care about the evidence and the rule of law and keep defending your white supremacist traitor fraud president.

I'm telling you the facts. The interwebs are full of idiots like you who gloss over facts just to spew their emotional bile onto forums.

[Spurs Homer]

See in red the part you omitted. It's not trivial.

"claims"

lol

You are acting dumb (that is a compliment - that you are NOT that dumb)


You do know that a court accepted the prosecutors evidence and CONVICTED COHEN- and also entered in the official court filing that COHEN was directed to commit these crimes.

So there is more than a "claim" by Cohen - there is LEGAL proof that this is a crime and that Cohen has been proven to be guilty -

and that it has been PROVEN that Trump directed this crime - a FELONY.

The reason Trump is not indicted is because no one has challenged the DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president.

So it is prudent to gather more evidence of more and more and more of Trumps crimes so that when that battle begins - that the evidence will be overwhelming that - the DOJ policy should be challenged and overturned and Trump should be and will be indicted officially for crimes committed.

[TSA]

I haven't seen anything predicting those numbers before it and the dossier was submitted before Rosneft went public.

Looks like you got your work cut out for you.

It’s your claim Pavlov looks like you got your work cut out for you.