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    LOL so this is Trump's terrific plan that was going to cover everybody and give better coverage and cost everyone less money than Obamacare.
    "We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump told The Washington Post. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."


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    Well lots of countries dont charge the insurer $98 for simple prescription of anyibiotics

    The doctors and pharma have us all including insurers by the balls
    Absolutely. That's what cost control looks like.

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    "We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump told The Washington Post. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."

    LOL Trump doing any work. He just took Price's plan.

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    LOL Trump doing any work. He just took Price's plan.
    It takes a real man to know your limitations and go with the plan of a health care specialist.

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    It takes a real man to know your limitations and go with the plan of a health care specialist.

    Jesus gargle his balls a little more why dontcha

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    Jesus gargle his balls a little more why dontcha
    Just saying. I just got my Christmas present. Over $700 saved.

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    You don't even have insurance you ing loser?

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    You don't even have insurance you ing loser?
    I did. It ing sucked. $8000 deductible. I'm like this.

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    Smart move for Trump and the GOP to put this piece of out now though, since it gets the media off Sessions' got ass.

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    lots of countries are not single-payer, and yet spend nowhere near what the US does, for similar outcomes...
    So what...neither party is proposing anything in that regard. We got a choice of try this piece of or stick with the collapsing piece of we got.

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    So what...neither party is proposing anything in that regard.
    Well, they might if half the country didn't enable the OMG COMMUNISM bull that forced us to settle for Obamacare in the first place.

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    Well, they might if half the country didn't enable the OMG COMMUNISM bull that forced us to settle for Obamacare in the first place.
    lol Dems had super majorities and didn't need the GOP for . Obama thought small and then folded like a cheap suit on everything that might have actually worked.

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    They need to get rid of pre-existing. That is what raised the prices.

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    They need to get rid of pre-existing. That is what raised the prices.
    trump promised to cover everybody.

    trump promised not clinton

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    So what...neither party is proposing anything in that regard. We got a choice of try this piece of or stick with the collapsing piece of we got.
    we tried this already... I'm all for replacing Barrycare, but this is basically 'lets go back to the previous system with a couple of asterisks'... how about tackling cost? We keep going in circles here, and every one of these is a great opportunity to do something about it.

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    They need to get rid of pre-existing. That is what raised the prices.
    pre-existing is sticking around. Then again, that's for those that can afford insurance with a $3000 tax credit...

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    We'll see where this goes... from what I've read, Freedom Caucus members thinks this is 'Barrycare lite', while a bunch of Governors don't want their Medicaid expansion dismantled...

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    we tried this already... I'm all for replacing Barrycare, but this is basically 'lets go back to the previous system with a couple of asterisks'... how about tackling cost? We keep going in circles here, and every one of these is a great opportunity to do something about it.
    yeah, and they don't come around all that often. once you pass a big healthcare bill, s on the back-burner for a while. all this proves is that the republicans are failing where the democrats also failed

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    Smart move for Trump and the GOP to put this piece of out now though, since it gets the media off Sessions' got ass.
    And yet all they talk about on the news are Trump's wire tap tweets.

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    we tried this already... I'm all for replacing Barrycare, but this is basically 'lets go back to the previous system with a couple of asterisks'... how about tackling cost? We keep going in circles here, and every one of these is a great opportunity to do something about it.
    No we haven't. With the ACA the Dems took full ownership of healthcare for the first time and got their pushed in for doing so. Now the GOP is about to take full ownership of healthcare and any fool knows how that is going to end. Wasn't it Churchill who said “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing...after they’ve tried everything else”.

    So I just see this as part of the process of getting towards some type of sensible healthcare model eventually. The most disappointing about Trumpcare is it looks like they are going to puss out of allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines so that we have a national healthcare market. That would be the biggest step towards setting the stage for a national healthcare model imo.

    I'm not philosophically opposed to single payor or any other healthcare model or any combination of models. I just think it's stupid for libs to always tout "single payor" when nobody is actually proposing a plan. It's as dumb as conservatives just shouting "free market" as a be all solution to healthcare.

    In the meantime, I just want Obamacare gone. If I lose my grandfathered plan I'm ed under this piece of .

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    lol Dems had super majorities and didn't need the GOP for . Obama thought small and then folded like a cheap suit on everything that might have actually worked.
    this is a valid criticism tbh... if the dems were going to shove healthcare without any bipartisan support, they might as well have gone full dem... but they didn't and the current situation is still a mess

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    well at least they didn't criminalize not having insurance so they can send you to a private prison.

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    No we haven't. With the ACA the Dems took full ownership of healthcare for the first time and got their pushed in for doing so. Now the GOP is about to take full ownership of healthcare and any fool knows how that is going to end. Wasn't it Churchill who said “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing...after they’ve tried everything else”.

    So I just see this as part of the process of getting towards some type of sensible healthcare model eventually. The most disappointing about Trumpcare is it looks like they are going to puss out of allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines so that we have a national healthcare market. That would be the biggest step towards setting the stage for a national healthcare model imo.

    I'm not philosophically opposed to single payor or any other healthcare model or any combination of models. I just think it's stupid for libs to always tout "single payor" when nobody is actually proposing a plan. It's as dumb as conservatives just shouting "free market" as a be all solution to healthcare.

    In the meantime, I just want Obamacare gone. If I lose my grandfathered plan I'm ed under this piece of .
    But you're saying it yourself. You wanted to make a point that selling across state lines can be cost cutting? Well, here was your chance. They been singing that bull for years, now they get their chance and what happens? Nothing.

    This plan can be resumed as simply rolling back Barrycare. It's kill the mandate, sunset Medicare expansion, and we'll give you some ridiculous, hilariously low tax credits to compensate for keeping pre-existing condition coverage...

    Really? Eight years for a master plan and this is what you come up with, going back? Ofcourse you had to tack in the abortion wedge issue right there too, lol

    What's terrible about this is that they're going to make people actually miss ACA, as incredibly bad as it was. I personally thought it was terrible, because of the exact same reasons as this , it doesn't deal with cost of care. But on top of that now you're killing access for millions of insured.

    This isn't about red or blue. They're both so ing sold out, tbh... notice how it's the consumer (especially the poor and the sick) getting ed again. Just extremely disappointing.

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    this is a valid criticism tbh... if the dems were going to shove healthcare without any bipartisan support, they might as well have gone full dem... but they didn't and the current situation is still a mess
    Absolutely true, but the at the same time, the hopes (perhaps unfounded) was that Barrycare was a stepping stone for serious healthcare reform. The ACA didn't happen in a vacuum, there were real, tangible, measurable problems with healthcare costs and access in the US. I'm just as incensed as when the ACA was reamed through. A perfect opportunity to actually improve, completely wasted with the usual political bickering.

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    yawn, Repugs will never touch the income of BigCorp.

    The corporatocracy owns and operates USA for stealing, unrestricted fleecing, looting, defrauding.

    EVERYTHING will get much worse under Repug rule, just like 2001-2008.

    The USA is in irreversible, unstoppable decline.

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