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    this is a valid criticism tbh... if the dems were going to shove healthcare without any bipartisan support, they might as well have gone full dem... but they didn't and the current situation is still a mess
    The public option wasn't politically feasible even with 60 dems in the senate. You act as if democrats are immune to the insurance lobby.

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    Read what they put out, but doesn't seem complete. For instance, the article below says it keeps banning lifetime caps and kids under 26, but I don't see anything in the bill on that. Maybe it's with the understanding that they won't get the votes to repeal the non-financial parts of ACA so their bill is layered on top of the ACA's pre-existing, lifetime ban and children under 26? They need to make the percent for continuous coverage much higher to incentivize people to stay covered, not go in and out of the market and thereby stabilize the market. I don't see anything addressing tort reform or the breakdown of the tax credit per age (other than it goes back to the average 4.8/5 times older than younger instead of ACA's current 3x) or how much they'll allow for the HSAs.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/i...ease_plan.html

    Don't you guys have anything like this (Publix supermarkets):

    The free medications offered, treatment and dosages include:

    Lisinopril — an ACE inhibitor used to prevent, treat or improve symptoms of high blood pressure, certain heart conditions, diabetes and certain chronic kidney conditions. Maximum of 90-day supply (up to 180 tablets). Lisinopril-HCTZ combination products excluded.
    Metformin — a medication used to treat diabetes. Maximum of 90-day supply of generic immediate-release metformin (up to 360 500-mg tablets, 270 850-mg or 225 1000-mg).
    Amlodipine — a calcium-channel blocker commonly used to treat high blood pressure and angina (chest pain). Maximum of 90-day supply (up to 180 2.5-mg or 5-mg tablets, or 90 10-mg tablets). Amlodipine combination products are excluded.
    Publix Pharmacy also offers a 14-day supply of the following generic oral antibiotics free:

    amoxicillin
    ampicillin
    ciprofloxacin (excluding Ciprofloxacin XR)
    penicillin VK and
    sulfamethoxazole/Trimethoprim (SMZ-TMP)

    or Walmart's $10/90-day or $4/30-day supply. Sometimes Costco (don't need membership to buy drugs) is even cheaper - try Walmart/Costco before your local pharmacy. And sometimes, it's cheaper to pay for it yourself than whatever tier/copay your health insurance decides it's on. Congress needs to allow us to buy from Canada or UK for the non-common/patented drugs. Hopefully a mass exodus doing that will affect US sales, and they'll lower their prices.

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    "even with 60 dems in the senate"

    Dems never had 60 in the Senate in 09.

    Lieberman is independent and totally owned by CT's BigInsurance. Lieberman killed any discussion of public option, never mind a vote on it.

    Ben "Horses Ass" Nelson also owned by BigInsurance, was given the job of writing ACA, and hired a BigInsurance exec/lobbyist to write it.

    It's IMPOSSIBLE to beat, or even challenge, the corporatocracy.



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    this is a valid criticism tbh... if the dems were going to shove healthcare without any bipartisan support, they might as well have gone full dem... but they didn't and the current situation is still a mess
    They got ed over by Lieberman and Nelson, which is why we never got the public option that Pelosi's house passed.

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    lol Dems had super majorities and didn't need the GOP for . Obama thought small and then folded like a cheap suit on everything that might have actually worked.
    Like I said, if half the country didn't buy into the bull that a public option was socialist and would lead to death panels, we might have had a better plan regardless of the party in power. The Dems deserve criticism for the plan we ended up with, but not for the hyperbolic reaction to any mention of public healthcare options.

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    Obummercare sucked. Not sure how this new plan will go. But it wouldn't take much to improve it. If it does suck, no penalty if you don't have it.

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    So nothing about importing drugs from Canada like that got Trump campaigned on?

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    lol Dems had super majorities and didn't need the GOP for . Obama thought small and then folded like a cheap suit on everything that might have actually worked.
    When you consider the dems in red states they never had that. And it was Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, and the whips that shat the bed.

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    Chaffetz to low-income Americans: Buy health care, not iPhones

    As House Republicans begin to roll out their proposed replacement for Obamacare, Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah suggested that poor Americans could pay for plans by prioritizing health care over smartphones.
    “Americans have choices, and they’ve got to make a choice,” said Chaffetz in a Tuesday interview with CNN, “so maybe rather than getting that new iPhone they just love and spending hundreds of dollars on that they should invest in their own health care. They’ve got to make those decisions themselves.”


    According to the 2016 Millman Medical Index, the average annual cost of health care for a typical American family of four was $25,826, or just over $2,100 per month. For a standard two-year plan on Verizon with no special deals, the iPhone 7 would cost $27.08 a month.

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    When you consider the dems in red states they never had that. And it was Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, and the whips that shat the bed.
    Pelosi actually got her bill through with the public option at least. ing Reid was worthless though.

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    Pelosi actually got her bill through with the public option at least. ing Reid was worthless though.

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    ROFL so c.unt is censored?????

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    The best political move for the Democrats is to pass this plan.

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    ROFL so c.unt is censored?????
    Yep. Wtf? Spurstalk censoring?

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    The best political move for the Democrats is to pass this plan.
    You mean actually vote for this bull or not filibuster it?

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    You mean actually vote for this bull or not filibuster it?
    I should have said "for this plan to pass."

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    I should have said "for this plan to pass."
    I don't buy it. If this was being done in 2018 it could be horrible for the GOP in the midterms but coming a year earlier they'll be able to spin it.

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    I don't buy it. If this was being done in 2018 it could be horrible for the GOP in the midterms but coming a year earlier they'll be able to spin it.
    Haven't seen when this is scheduled to roll out but if it's really the disaster people seem to think it is, the worst thing for the GOP would be for Americans to actually experience the plan. If it's not til 2018 they can just spin it as "Trust us, it's better because it's not Obamacare."

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    I should have said "for this plan to pass."
    It's still under negotiation. I support Rand Paul's position. This is Obamacare lite.

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    It's still under negotiation. I support Rand Paul's position. This is Obamacare lite.
    Paul and Cruz's "Full Repeal" plan is even better for the Democrats.

    I'd root for it if it didn't also mean people would die.

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    A Plan Set Up To Fail

    Obamacare (and Romneycare before that): regulation, mandates, and subsidies.

    And the result has been a sharp decline in the number of uninsured, with costs coming in
    well below expectations.

    Roughly speaking, 20 million Americans gained coverage at a cost of around 0.6 percent of GDP.

    For the GOP proposal basically accepts the logic of Obamacare.

    It retains insurer regulation to prevent exclusion of people with preexisting conditions.

    It imposes a penalty on those who don’t buy insurance while healthy.

    Obamacare 0.5, because it’s really about replacing relatively solid pillars with half-measures, severely and probably fatally weakening the whole structure.

    the ACA subsidies, which are linked both to income and to the cost of insurance, are replaced by flat tax credits which would be worth much less to lower-income Americans, the very people most likely to need help buying insurance.

    these moves would almost surely lead to a death spiral.

    House leadership .. plans to rush the bill through committee before CBO even gets a chance to score it.

    https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/a-plan-set-up-to-fail/?smid=tw-share&_r=0

    I thought Repugs PROHIBITED CPO from scoring their ACA replacement at all?


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    The Republican Health Care Bill Is Carefully Crafted to Solve a Specific Problem

    Republicans knew exactly what problem they were trying to solve.

    Their preference has always been to repeal Obamacare and do nothing in its place,

    but they don't have the votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster, so they can't do that.

    They also realize that the optics of baldly ripping away health coverage from 20 million people would be mildly troublesome.

    goal was simple:

    do what they could to destroy Obamacare and take away as much health coverage as they could,

    without making it
    look like they weren't offering a replacement.

    keeping the pre-existing conditions clause—which is both popular and impossible to repeal—while tearing down the rest of Obamacare is likely to destroy the individual insurance market.

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ecific-problem

    and Price has very strong hand to re-write rules, not to enforce fules, etc, without Congress being involved.



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