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Yeah Trumpcare is going to fix all that. Healthcare was so awesome in this country pre-2014.
So doing nothing but img about republicans is the next best thing?
Again, where is the outrage by the ones currently being ed over by the health care system as of now?
All I hear is crickets.
Yeah Trumpcare is going to fix all that. Healthcare was so awesome in this country pre-2014.
I sympathize with you. We've run the gamut of health insurance - from a small company with $1600/month to now a large company with $400+/month to cover our family of 5. People on this board have heard me rail plenty about Obamacare and given examples such as health care ministries, direct care payment, $80 mammograms/ultrasounds, etc. But these liberals don't want to hear about anything but a public/government option. It doesn't seem to matter if costs are lower but the philosophy of it - that these are conservative ideas and as such not acceptable. They espouse the "great" healthcare over in Europe but can't explain how we get from where we are now to that system - how to deal with the difference in educational, legal, medical systems between the two. Most of them also espouse $15 minimum wage but fail to realize that those great specialists over in Sweden make $94k per year (before taxes) and who is gonna spend over 12 years of their lives studying to earn that amount. Now, there's talk of this basic universal income - LOL, they have no understanding of human nature.
If you are Christian, maybe look at health sharing ministries (especially Christian Healthcare Ministries where pre-existings go away after 3 years). If you work for a small company, perhaps look for work in a large company. If you are a small business owner, you're basically stuck with those high premiums.
Oh man this re ed again?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/u...cal-bills.html
Upon joining, members waive their right to sue, and in the case of Samaritan, appeals panels of randomly selected members are supposed to settle disputes. Mr. Lansberry said that such panels had been convened only four times since Samaritan’s founding in 1994, and that the group had never been the subject of complaints to state attorneys general or insurance commissioners.
The insurance commissioner in Washington State did try to stop Samaritan from operating in 2011, saying it was selling “unauthorized insurance,” but the state Legislature passed a law explicitly exempting health care sharing ministries from regulations.
Insurance commissioners in Kentucky and Oklahoma had tried to block Medi-Share, the Florida-based ministry, but were thwarted when their legislatures also passed protection laws.
In 2001, Ohio’s attorney general sued one ministry — known then as the Christian Brotherhood Newsletter, and now as Christian Healthcare Ministries — ultimately forcing its leaders to repay $15 million they had spent on homes, vehicles and excessive salaries out of the fund where members had sent payments.
Members have filed a handful of lawsuits against Medi-Share after bills they had expected to be covered were not. The cases were settled out of court. While the health law requires the ministries to submit to annual independent audits, critics question whether that safeguard is sufficient.
“Our message has consistently been that this is not a health insurance product that we regulate, so buyer beware,” said Nick Gerhart, the insurance commissioner in Iowa. “A premature baby could cost $1 million pretty easily, so it wouldn’t take very many of those to put a significant strain on any group, let alone an unregulated group like this.”
Do you have nothing to do but quote things from 2001 and scoff at an alternative used by 1/2 million people? Iirc, they have since put in safeguards to prevent that happening again. As with everything, BUYER BEWARE - do your research. But if one is desperate enough and don't have any other option, these health sharing plans are allowed under the ACA as an acceptable alternative to paying the penalty. I used CHM in the 5 month gap between my dh's jobs when we just could not afford COBRA. It's basically catastrophic insurance (depending on the level) and we paid out of pocket for preventive/diagnostic expenses but it was peace of mind during that period.
Yes I'm going to scoff an alternative that was shown to be a scam. Just like I scoff all your posts after you pretended to be a black Jamaican Trump supporter during the election only to now be a Chinese Trump supporter after. You're a lying sucker.
You (and someone else who said that) are the one who is mixed up - pls show the post where I said that. I never claimed to be black - I said I had a black aunt (married to my chinese uncle). What difference does it make whether I'm black or chinese? That's kinda racist, isn't it?
LOL black Jamaican Trump supporter
Interesting last tweet.
Dems cant come up with an original slogan. Coming from a party that recycled a 30+ year old slogan and took it as his own.
And just to clarify - I am Jamaican - born and bred - maybe that is where the confusion was made - the assumption that all Jamaicans are black. There is a big population of chinese in Jamaica as both Jamaica and Hong Kong were British colonies back in the day - there was no visa necessary to travel from Hong Kong to Jamaica so a lot of chinese people (including my grandmother) came over.
Believe it or not, such people exist. At my friend's dinner, most of the males were Trump supporters. Most of the females (except me) were Hillary supporters.
What about the black chinese jamaicans?
At the dinner, there were chinese, black and mixed (a lot of interracial marriages in Jamaica). They were split politically mostly along GENDER lines. And we don't see ourselves split along racial lines the way some Americans tend to.
sure son
You like the new slogan?
im completely ambivalent about slogans
the gop collectively nominated donald trump for its presidential candidate but lol at the dncs marketing team for that tagline that reminds me of other taglines
Looked into Christian ministries but fine print is that they are not required to pay. Als o, I don't plan on anyone in my family to get involved too deep with drugs or alcohol but that's not covered either.
Once again, baseline turns it into a r vs d thing. Obama care/trumpcare Are equally re ed, illegal, and a pile of crap. I would be equally against it if it was originally trumpcare and now Obama s deal. Your partisan at udes are what's wrong with government today.
yada yada yada
cliffs: You have literally no clue what you're talking about
LOL you're one of independents from the right, just like Wild Cobra.
It really isn't. The health cost sharing model basically is a group of people sharing the cost of what has happened but offering no guaranteed coverage for what might happen in the future which is what real insurance is legally required to cover.
The direct care model really isn't lowering costs. It's actually more profitable for primary care physicians.
My wife's practice is around 3000-3500 patients and she bills around $650k per year. That's office visits, in house labs & other diagnostics. Her practice has a large in house lab so most labs are done in house. She keeps around 45% of that and the rest goes to overhead.
Under the direct care model physicians reduce their practice to around 1500 patients and charge them $50-75 per month which covers all office visits and in house labs/procedures but they don't accept any form of insurance. So even at the low end of $50 per month that direct care physician is taking in $900K per year, seeing half the # of patients, and reducing their overhead by not taking any insurance. Oh but look I don't charge for in house labs.
I know Hannity is always pumping the direct care model but he doesn't know what he is talking about. Primary care is not the cost driver in our healthcare system. In fact one of the things Obamacare was trying to do was incentivize primary care because more primary care means less spent on specialist care which accounts for about 75% of all outpatient payments.
Last edited by SnakeBoy; 07-23-2017 at 04:58 PM.
About christian healthcare ministries? That's my takeaway from a few years ago plus talking to a hospital ceo.
THe rest is opinion.
As opposed to a what? an independent from the left? That's a pretty stupid accusation. No one is perfectly balanced in the center. If i was so right wing i probably would have voted for trump instead of throwing it away. You ususally have some pretty solid takes that i may not agree with but always make me think of a different point of view. Not this one.
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