lol Keep dreamingyoure right why discuss anything that isnt a current bill in congress?
dems will push for single payer when enough people demand it.
It's not that you should never discuss it but you use it at a shield. The magical non existent single payer plan that solves all issues. it's like the paulbots used to be with the magical gold standard that would fix all problems but they couldn't answer a single question about the specifics of how it would work.
McC has pretty much broken the Senate, with Garland/Gorsuch fiasco, and obstructing EVERYTHING from Obama or Dems since 2009
Going back to Gingrich (another ing Confederate slave state asshole destroyer (in the news this weekend again), Repugs have denied the legitimacy of the Dems being another party, corollary being that compromising with the Dems is treason.
Noted Obamacare Hater Tomi Lahren Admits Being on Obamacare
Conservative pundit Tomi Lahren has gone on record multiple times about her disdain for the 2010 Affordable Care Act, which is commonly referred to as “Obamacare.”
One particular issue with Lahren’s criticism of the ACA is that she apparently is a direct beneficiary of one of its provisions.
Under current law, if a person’s insurance covers children,
they are allowed to keep their children on their health insurance policy until they turn 26 years old.
As it relates to Lahren, this is relevant because she made an interesting admission while debating the ACA with Chelsea Handler at Politicon over the weekend.
“Luckily, I am 24, so I am still on my parents’ plan,”
http://www.complex.com/life/2017/07/tomi-lahren-admits-being-on-obamacare
This is NOT Andy Borowitz
Trash tells Senate Republicans 'the world is watching' on health care
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...alth-care.html
Poor babies in congress working for 2 more weeks
Now get things done
- "There are consequences to elections."Trash tells Senate Republicans 'the world is watching' on health care
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...alth-care.html
- Zero
It isn't a monster.
It won't bankrupt us.
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Feel free to outline how, specifically, either statement is true.
most people can explain it a lot better than the "death panels
...
You can't. The Democrats can't. Bernie couldn't.most people can explain it a lot better than the "
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Robert Reich's blog
The demise of the Republican effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act is hardly the end of the story. Donald Trump will not let this loss stand.
Since its inception in 2010, Republicans made the Affordable Care Act into a symbol of Obama-Clinton overreach – part of a supposed plot by liberal elites to expand government, burden the white working class, and transfer benefits to poor blacks and Latinos.
Ever the political opportunist, Trump poured his own poisonous salt into this conjured-up wound. Although he never really understood the Affordable Care Act,
Trump used it to prey upon resentments of class, race, ethnicity, and religiosity that propelled him into the White House.
Repealing “Obamacare” has remained one of Trump’s central rallying cries to his increasingly angry base. “The question for every senator, Democrat or Republican, is whether they will side with Obamacare’s architects, which have been so destructive to our country, or with its forgotten victims,” Trump said last Monday, adding that any senator who failed to vote against it “is telling America that you are fine with the Obamacare nightmare.”
Now, having lost that fight,
Trump will try to subvert the Act by delaying funding so some insurers won’t have time to participate,
not enforcing the individual mandate so funding will be inadequate,
not informing those who are eligible about when to sign up and how to do so, and
looking the other way when states don’t comply.
But that’s not all.
Trump doesn’t want his base to perceive him as a loser.
So be prepared for scorched-earth politics from the Oval Office, including more savage verbal attacks on Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, more baseless charges of voter fraud in the 2016 election, more specific threats to fire special counsel Robert Mueller, and further escalation of the culture wars.
Most Americans won’t be swayed by these pyrotechnics because they’ve become inured to our unhinged president.
But that’s not the point.
The rantings are intended to shore up Trump’s “base” – the third of the country that continues to support him, who still believe they’re “victims” of Obamacare,
who are willing to believe Trump himself is the victim of a liberal conspiracy to unseat him.
Trump wants his base to become increasingly angry and politically mobilized so they’ll continue to exert an outsized influence on the Republican Party.
There is a deeper danger here. As Harvard political scientist Archon Fung has argued,
stable democracies require that citizens be committed to the rule of law even if they fail to achieve their preferred policies.
Settling our differences through ballots and agreed-upon processes rather than through force is what separates democracy from authoritarianism.
But Donald Trump has never been committed to the rule of law. For him, it’s all about winning. If he can’t win through established democratic processes, he’ll mobilize his base to change them.
Trump is already demanding that Mitch McConnell and senate Republicans obliterate the filibuster, thereby allowing anything to be passed with a bare majority.
On Saturday he tweeted “Republican Senate must get rid of 60 vote NOW!” adding the filibuster “allows 8 Dems to control country,” and “Republicans in the Senate will NEVER win if they don’t go to a 51 vote majority NOW. They look like fools and are just wasting time.”
What’s particularly worrisome about Trump’s attack on the processes of our democracy is that the assault comes at a time when the percentage of Americans who regard the other party as a fundamental threat is growing.
In 2014 – even before Trump’s incendiary presidential campaign – 35 percent of Republicans saw the Democratic Party as a “threat to the nation’s well being” and 27 percent of Democrats regarded Republicans the same way, according to the Pew Research Center.
Those percentages are undoubtedly higher today. If Trump has his way, they’ll be higher still.
Anyone who regards the other party as a threat to the nation’s well being is less apt to accept outcomes in which the other is perceived to prevail – whether it’s a decision not to repeal the Affordable Care Act, or a special counsel’s conclusion that Trump did in fact collude with Russians, or even the outcome of the next presidential election.
As a practical matter,
when large numbers of citizens aren’t willing to accept such outcomes, we’re no longer part of the same democracy.
I fear this is where Trump intends to take his followers, along with as much of the Republican Party as he can:
Toward a rejection of political outcomes they regard as illegitimate and therefore a rejection of democracy as we know it.
That way, Trump will always win.
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LOL at large numbers of Dems unwilling to accept Trump as president.
Orrin Hatch Says Senate Is Too Divided To Keep Up Healthcare Push
senators for now are too divided to keep working on healthcare overhaul legislation and that he and other senior Republicans will take that message to the White House.
President Donald Trump has been urging lawmakers not to drop the matter, despite a series of failed votes last week. “There’s just too much animosity and we’re too divided on healthcare,“Hatch said in an interview with Reuters.
He said he would prefer Congress not appropriate cost-sharing subsidies that help make Obamacare plans affordable but added, “I think we’re going to have to do that.”
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/15d9d7b056243b6b
... iow, Repugs gonna stop ACA from imploding, perfectly countering Trash's fantasy.
One would think they had the same at ude as Mitch McConnell.
What goes around...
And you are missing the part where many Republicans don't think Donald is truly a Republican. He is what he needs to be to win. And winning is something that only he has a clear definition of. Still looking for 3 million votes... why? Because in his mind he was not a fully legitimate winner. By the rules he was a legitimate winner. In fact he was a clearly legitimate winner against all odds. But apparently not in his mind. (Or the great Bootamizer's)
As as far as Trump becoming an effective president after winning... this will be one for the history books for incompetence and deceit. This will make people long for professional politicians IMO. Now we know why a businessman can't run a democratic government. Too bad.
I think everyone accepts that Trump is president. LOL at large number of Reps unwilling to accept that Trump's presidency is a dumpster fire.
At this point the Republican's will try to throw anything together just to get votes, no matter how bad. I can see a bill that has directly opposing language of funding and defunding just to get something passed. The only goal now is pass anything.
Businessman? You mean salesman. Back when he tried to build he went bankrupt multiple times and almost went under if not for a fat bank bailout. That's when he decided to just slap his name on everything and charge for that. A businessman would have been someone like Perot, who might have actually been a decent president.
Not the Bootomizer.
But yeah. Pretty much spot on.
Yeah.
Salesman is a better description. But a very wily one with bankruptcy lawyers.
Just using the language Trump and Republicans would prefer.
Well now we see why his businesses went under. This guy must have really been a nightmare when he had absolute power.
Since Gingrigch ran the House 25 years ago, the Repugs have blatantly denied the very legitimacy of Dems, DO NOT ACCEPT DEMS as a party, so compromise, and even moderation, have been considered treason.
Moderate Repugs ARE NOT ACCEPTED as Repugs, and have been intimidated into silent conformity, or purged from the party.
Not accepting Trash as American Pres doesn't entail breaking any laws, or killing anybody, it's just an at ude.
Political dissent is protected speech but we know you Repugs agree only when the dissent is against Dems, while criminalizing dissent against Repugs.
Single payer resolves a lot of issues, and would be vastly more efficient than our current system.
LOL "we can't solve everything perfectly, so let's do nothing"
Intellectual bankruptcy.
No ideas, no solutions. Conservatism is a useless ideology, worse than communism.
This is what, as auditors, we look for in a company.
"Tone at the top".
Surround yourself with syncophants, and you don't get negative feedback on things that aren't working. That vastly increases the potential for bad decisions.
Information flows into the decision making process are vital to evaluating leadership and capabilities.
By all accounts "short, with lots of pictures and the name "Trump" mentioned a lot" is more appropriate for a toddler than a president.
I never thought that Bush would seem competant, but leave it to the Republican party to find someone.
lol dems arent the ones still talking about hillary ing clinton every day like its still election season.
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