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    Yeah that's why I said at the beginning of this thread that I just hoped Trump forced a vote. These guys can spin all they want but they will have voted to keep Obamacare.
    He is definitely willingly to put its failure on the table.

    But the bottom line is the Republicans had plenty of time to get something together. Since the Freedom Cacus function has been to say no, the Republicans dare not put up a plan. The real deal here is the legislative branch realizes that their cons uents do want something. There is a real pushback from many Republican districts not to be left hanging. Thus Trump does have some leverage. People want a plan. Not just a simple repeal.

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    Repugs don't GAF about healthcare, at any cost to citizens, or at any level of "freedom of access and choice".

    AHCA is fundamentally $100Bs in tax cuts for the 1%.

    And it's the 1%/VRWC/KockBros who own and dictate to the Freedom Kockus.

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    Bernie Sanders

    11 hrs ·

    Paul Ryan said that Republicans made “improvements” to their so-called health care bill.

    Well, if you’re in the top 2 percent or you are the CEO of a big pharmaceutical company, yes the Republicans did make major improvements for you.

    Under these “improvements” the top 2 percent will receive an additional $31 billion in tax breaks on top of the $275 billion already included in the Republican bill.

    Big pharmaceutical companies will now be getting $3 billion more — $33 billion
    in total.

    And instead of getting a $145 billion tax break, big insurance companies will be getting a $161 billion tax break — $16 billion more.

    Meanwhile, tens of millions of Americans will still lose their health insurance and premiums for low-income seniors will still skyrocket.

    They will still be left in the cold.

    The Republican bill is not a health care bill at all.

    It is a massive tax break for the rich and powerful and it must be defeated.


    https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf

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    sicko Trash doesn't care whom he hurts, only cares that he WINS. He's President for himself, not for America.

    Combined with Repug s who work exclusively for BigDonor ...

    America is ed and un able.

    4 years of misgovernance and destruction. Nothing will be solved, nothing advances except wealth of the wealthy.

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    4 years of misgovernance and destruction. Nothing will be solved, nothing advances except wealth of the wealthy.
    So you're predicting the next 4 years will be exactly the same has the last 8

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    lol appears doomed at this point



    So Trump is forcing House members to take a difficult vote that can be used against them on a bill that he doesn't understand and is destined to fail out of some sort of loyalty test.

    Leadership.

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    Love Dr Trumps strategy tbqh.

    Vote now fail or pass. im dropping the mic and walking away regardless

    Gangsta

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    Also love his statement. You vote no today and you own Obamacare forever hes basically playing chicken with all his opponents

    I still think it could pass and it would be anshocking surprise almost as big as his electoral win

    The tears if this passes today would be epic

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    The tears if this passes today would be epic
    Uhh, no. The House vote was supposed to be the easy part where Trump has a 44 vote edge and only needs a majority vote.

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    Uhh, no. The House vote was supposed to be the easy part where Trump has a 44 vote edge and only needs a majority vote.
    Most news outlets and experts already calling a defeat. Just like his election.

    If it passes the taers will be fantastinc believe me

    All we can do at this point is wait and see

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    Most news outlets and experts already calling a defeat. Just like his election.

    If it passes the taers will be fantastinc believe me

    All we can do at this point is wait and see
    Nobody is calling a defeat. The consensus is "will Trump's strategy work"? Some are saying it will pass


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    Love Dr Trumps strategy tbqh.

    Vote now fail or pass. im dropping the mic and walking away regardless

    Gangsta
    Jesus H. Christ, you've been totally conned if you believe that stupid .

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    How Paul Ryan played Donald Trump

    Sometimes the swamp drains you.

    He was a pragmatic businessman who was going to make Washington work for you, the little guy, not the ideologues and special interests.

    Instead, Trump has become a pitchman for Paul Ryan and his agenda.

    He’s spent the past week

    fighting for a health care bill he didn’t campaign on,

    didn’t draft,

    doesn’t understand,

    doesn’t like to talk about, and

    can’t defend.

    Rather than forcing the Republican establishment to come around to his principles, he’s come around to theirs — and with disastrous results.


    Democrats don’t like this bill.

    Independents don’t like this bill.

    Conservatives don’t like this bill.

    Moderates don’t like this bill.

    All the energy behind the American Health Care Act is coming from inside the GOP congressional establishment — and now from Trump himself. In a sense, this Matt Drudge tweet says it all:


    Sixty days into his presidency,

    Trump has lashed himself to a Paul Ryan passion project that’s polling at 56-17 percent against.

    As political scientist Ryan Enos drolly observed, “in a hyper-partisan political climate, it's actually

    an accomplishment to write legislation this unpopular.”


    The AHCA breaks Trump’s promises to his base so fulsomely, so completely,

    that when told by Tucker Carlson on Fox News “that counties that voted for you, middle-class and working-class counties, would do far less well under the bill,”

    Trump was reduced to saying, simply: “Oh, I know.”


    Donald Trump has become Paul Ryan with orange hair. How did it happen?


    This is what happens when you don’t sweat, or even understand, the details

    How did Ryan persuade Trump to adopt his bill? The truth is, it doesn’t appear to have been very hard.

    On Wednesday, the New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza published a series of messages from a House Freedom Caucus source laying out the state of play on the American Health Care Act. “Don’t source to me,” the person wrote, “but

    Ryan’s astonish[ed] how in over his head Trump is. He seems to neither get the politics nor the policy of this.”

    Recently, I read every public statement Trump made on health care since the unveiling of the AHCA. It was striking how obviously thin Trump’s knowledge of the issue was. His standard riff veered from complaints about Obamacare to complaints about how Democrats wouldn’t work with him to vague promises about how great everything would be after the House plan passed.

    To this day, Trump has never made a substantive case for why this bill would make people’s lives better.


    Politico reports that Trump doesn’t even like talking about health care — and his staffers have started, amazingly, to see that as a good thing:

    Several people with knowledge of the discussions said having Trump on the golf course wasn’t a bad thing for his team, who could wade more into the nitty-gritty and have “real talk” with the conservatives. They fear that when he meets with legislators or interest groups that he’ll promise them too much — or change the terms under discussion altogether. “It’s easier to negotiate sometimes without Trump,” one adviser said.

    This is the problem with not knowing or caring much about the details of policy —

    it’s easy to get spun by people who do know and care, and

    it’s easy to get trapped in processes that people are building for their benefit rather than yours.

    And that seems to be what happened to Trump. For instance, the New York Times reports that Trump barely paid attention when he agreed to put health reform first:

    He approved the agenda putting health care first late last year, almost in passing, in meetings with Mr. Ryan, Vice President Mike Pence and Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff.

    Pence and Priebus persuaded Trump to make Rep. Tom Price his health and human services secretary.

    Pence, Priebus, and Price are all Ryanists, not Trumpists,

    and so when Ryan emerged with a health care plan that reflected their views, they told Trump it was a great deal and he should work for its passage.

    How Trump became the fall guy for Ryan’s bill

    Ryan’s stroke of genius, however, has been flattering Trump’s vision of himself as a dealmaker through the process, and amping up Trump’s sense of the personal stake he has in the AHCA’s success.

    On Monday, Politico reported that “members of Speaker Paul Ryan’s team, trying to appeal to Trump’s ego and deal-making sensibilities, have begun calling him the ‘closer’ or the ‘ultimate closer.’”


    In an interview, Ryan amped up both the flattery and the pressure. “I’ve never seen, since I’ve been in Congress — and this is the fourth president I’ve served with — I’ve never seen a president as deep and involved and engaged on passing the signature legislation as this one,” he said.


    And that’s how a bill that Trump didn’t campaign on and didn’t write and doesn’t understand become his “signature legislation,” and that’s how its possible failure could be recast as proof that Trump isn’t the closer he promised to be, even when he’s maximally involved in the effort.


    I am not suggesting Ryan is some kind of political genius. The problems here lie with Trump. He is strongly committed to his personal project of being the president, being seen as a great dealmaker, and appearing on television, but

    he is weakly committed to his ideological project and obviously uninterested in the details of legislation.

    he has burnt much of the political capital he had on Paul Ryan’s health care plan

    there is no one, after this, who thinks his salesmanship unstoppable or his commitment to his own agenda unshakable, and that weakens his ability to push the Republican Party to places it doesn’t already want to go.


    We are 60 days into Trump’s presidency, and

    Trumpism is already being strangled by Ryanism.

    As Drudge wrote, sometimes the swamp drains you.

    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...ald-trump-ahca

    iow, ignorant, piece-of- Trash doesn't know WTF he is doing, nor what's being done to him, other than making sure Don The Con Trash WINS!

    The Repug establishment that Trash promised to blow up, to drain the DC swamp, has conned and is crushing Don the Con

    LOSER, out of his depth, and conned


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    Jesus H. Christ, you've been totally conned if you believe that stupid .
    Conned what? Thats what is happening.

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    Nobody is calling a defeat. The consensus is "will Trump's strategy work"? Some are saying it will pass

    Who besides white house, Trump allies and Ryan alles is saying it will pass?

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    Who besides white house, Trump allies and Ryan alles is saying it will pass?
    So in addition to not being able to post tweets, now you can't read them?

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    So in addition to not being able to post tweets, now you can't read them?
    I can show you tweets that say anything. You seriously treat twitter as a legit source??

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    Conned what? Thats what is happening.
    he's taken the best option but he is going to have pie on his face when the vote fails. there is no dropping of the mic.

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    So you're predicting the next 4 years will be exactly the same has the last 8
    the last 37 years to be honest. only trump would be doing this at a far more accelerated rate.

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    So does anyone think this garbage healthcare bill was a plan from Trump (or more likely Bannon) to kill Paul Ryan off? Let Ryan hang himself with his bill that no one was going to like? As much as I hate Trump, Ryan is twice as bad.

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    So does anyone think this garbage healthcare bill was a plan from Trump (or more likely Bannon) to kill Paul Ryan off? Let Ryan hang himself with his bill that no one was going to like? As much as I hate Trump, Ryan is twice as bad.
    AHCA is RyanCare, Trump has been played, conned to go along (too stupid, ignorant not to, has NO choice), where Ryancare is really $100Bs tax cuts for the wealthy, not about health care for the non-wealthy.

    Trash PROMISED, VOWED not to touch Medicaid, but now he's supporting sociopathic sicko Ryan's plan to cut Medicaid.

    Even without AHCA passing, Price, forced onto Trash by the Repug establishment, will up ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, because he has vast powers to do so, and will.

    Repugs ing Americans to enrich the wealthy.
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