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^^^Yeah, yeah, yeah, and when we were 'Conservative' you beat us down.
- "There are consequences to elections." - Zero
By God, you'll remember that come '20.
They’ve become radical, and they want to remake America.
To most Americans, “conservative” is interchangeable with “Republican Party.” After all, the GOP has usually been the more conservative side of a two-party system for a century. We also tend to understand who a conservative is based on the root of the word: someone who is cautious and respects the status quo, or, put more strongly, someone who is resistant to change.
Donald Trump’s election in 2016 have changed all that. The GOP is no longer a conservative party in any meaningful way. It is instead something else, and it needs a more accurate description.
Why should we care what European political philosophy has to say about U.S. politics? Because our politics arose out of that philosophy, and going back to those roots brings clarity.
Most knowledgeable philosophical conservatives today will tell you how unhappy they are with how far the Republican Party has drifted. Some prominent conservatives leaned toward Democrats in the 2000s, such as Catholic conservative commentator Andrew Sullivan, and more have become never-Trumpers, including former Republican strategist Ana Navarro. This is because the GOP of Trump, House leader Paul Ryan and Senate leader Mitch McConnell has become a radical right. That may sound like a contradiction, since “radical” is usually shorthand for the far left, but the seeming contradiction demonstrates how restrictive our notion of the right-left political spectrum really is, and that’s perhaps the most important thing we can learn from looking to our European roots.
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Nationalism emerged as a story that could unite whole populations regardless of vast disparities in wealth. And by defining “us,” nationalism also defines who is the “other,” providing someone to blame who is coincidentally not the people enjoying power and wealth. A system that was threatened by the poor and minorities told the poor to hate minorities, leaving minorities to fear the poor.
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In other words, the “left versus right” terms we use to describe our politics (and the political compass variation on it) fail to take into account one of the most important political debates of the 20th century: individualism versus collectivism, with nationalism as the key concept within that debate. Those of us born to the Anglo-American tradition often miss this because our experience is of the seemingly easy compromise position of civic nationalism.
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We will need new words to describe this, as it continues to develop in unpredictable ways. But one thing is sure: The familiar days of the “right” as cautious men in suits and the “left” as hairy hippies are over. The Cold War, with its comforting clichés about authoritarianism happening to other people, is over.
We’re living something else now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e201d5776f8c
^^^Yeah, yeah, yeah, and when we were 'Conservative' you beat us down.
- "There are consequences to elections." - Zero
By God, you'll remember that come '20.
Over and over again, I was asked by people who worked inside the D.O.E. not to use their names, or identify them in any way, for fear of reprisal. “People are heading for the doors,” says Tarak Shah. “And that’s really sad and destructive. The best and the brightest are the ones being targeted. They will leave fastest. Because they will get the best job offers.”
There might be no time in the history of the country when it was so interesting to know what was going on inside these bland federal office buildings—because there has been no time when those things might be done ineptly, or not done at all. But if you want to know how the D.O.E. works—the problems it manages, the fears that keep its employees awake at night, the things it does you just sort of assume will continue being done—there’s no real point in being inside the D.O.E. Anyone who wants a blunt, open assessment of the risks inherent in the United States government now has to leave it to find it.
The list of things that might go wrong inside the D.O.E. was endless.
The driver of a heavily armed unit assigned to move plutonium around the country was pulled over, on the job, for drunken driving.
An 82-year-old nun, along with others, cut through the perimeter fence of a facility in Tennessee that housed weapons-grade nuclear material.
A medical facility ordered a speck of plutonium for research, and a weapons-lab clerk misplaced a decimal point and FedExed the researchers a chunk of the stuff so big it should have been under armed guard—whereupon horrified medical researchers tried to FedEx it back.
“At D.O.E. even the regular scheduled meetings started with ‘You’re not going to believe this,’ ” says former chief of staff Kevin Knobloch.
They're the party of trolling now. Basically all Republican policies are rated on a "how much will this piss off liberals" scale. We have Republican congressman who go on interviews and say "My proposal is getting angry reactions from Democrats, so it must be good". They have no interest in improving the lives of American citizens, they are fully committed to the current political tribalism and are playing that game with no regard for the people it may hurt. And they're winning, so of course they're going to stay that course.
^it keeps them elected. re-election is more important than getting things done
Conservative to a lot of people refers to taxes and spending. Most libertarians with their "wacky" ideas are considered conservative.
libertarians are basically conservatives that like weed
Moral and intellectual bankruptcy is the phrase you may be looking for.
That works mostly.
I'm not sure that there is anything approaching coherency though. Republicans talk the talk when it comes to such things, but once they get into office realize that doesn't get done without... taxes and spending. So they tax as little as they can, spend just a bit less than democrats and borrow the difference, ala Kansas.
Until the bill comes due. Then they blame Obama, Clinton, or Pelosi or [demon of the day].
Leaving the responsible adults to clean up the mess.
Repugs are owned and operated by the oligarchy, whose two overriding priorities are
1. cut taxes, rig the economy and increase subsidies to oligarchy
2. weaken, destroy govt (neoliberalism, cut regulations, don't enforce nothing)
Repugs add politicking social issues of xenophobia, Christian supremacy (Sharia hate of LGBT, women), white male supremacy, racism, as long of none of these bother oligarchy's rofits.
And what responsible adults would that be?
So he is saying things were pretty ed up at the DOE under the Obama administration. Damn conservatives!
That's not really accurate. As an ideology libertarianism is all over the map from right wing Ayn Rand types to libertarian socialists. Usually that range of beliefs exists in every libertarians brain. That's the reason that if you let a libertarian talk long enough any sane person concludes that this er is crazy.
I mean I agree with the thread le in that libertarian economics has gained way too much influence in the GOP but it could also go on to say that the Democratic party is no longer the party of liberalism. Both sides are heading to the extremes.
We are at a point where when Steve Bannon says something like this he's considered a radical by both parties.
But there’s a strand of capitalism today — two strands of it, that are very disturbing.
One is state-sponsored capitalism. And that’s the capitalism you see in China and Russia. I believe it’s what Holy Father [Pope Francis] has seen for most of his life in places like Argentina, where you have this kind of crony capitalism of people that are involved with these military powers-that-be in the government, and it forms a brutal form of capitalism that is really about creating wealth and creating value for a very small subset of people. And it doesn’t spread the tremendous value creation throughout broader distribution patterns that were seen really in the 20th century.
The second form of capitalism that I feel is almost as disturbing, is what I call the Ayn Rand or the Objectivist School of libertarian capitalism. And, look, I’m a big believer in a lot of libertarianism. I have many many friends that’s a very big part of the conservative movement — whether it’s the UKIP movement in England, it’s many of the underpinnings of the populist movement in Europe, and particularly in the United States.
However, that form of capitalism is quite different when you really look at it to what I call the “enlightened capitalism” of the Judeo-Christian West. It is a capitalism that really looks to make people commodities, and to objectify people, and to use them almost — as many of the precepts of Marx — and that is a form of capitalism, particularly to a younger generation [that] they’re really finding quite attractive. And if they don’t see another alternative, it’s going to be an alternative that they gravitate to under this kind of rubric of “personal freedom.”
He mopped the in floor with her in ass
Squawk
I'm sure they can take some little solace having the Presidency, Supreme Court, House of Representatives, Senate, etc. but this is definitely a huge blow for sure..poor guys
Whoa. For a quick zinger that's actually pretty deep.
Yeah that's why people hate Steve Bannon because of comments like that nothing to do with the right-wing Nut Job garbage website that he runs
So....call names and judge an entire sect's morality based on political affiliation? Stereotypes and alienation. Jeebus, how is it lost on someone intelligent, like you, WHY the Left is so widely rejected?
Liberal hypocrisy: Christians shouldn't judge people. *Selectively pick bible verses in mocking bigotry* (See safe space boy Mono) BUT...we can judge people while telling Christians they can't.
The thinly veiled hypocrisies. Shadier, more corrupt leadership than Trump. Micro-level politics. Fascist tactics. Denial of accountability. This is why your Party is in much worse shape than your opposition. You can't admit it, but it is.
what makes mono a "safe space boy"... just out of curiosity
Billy Clinton the last one to balance a budget.
STFU Conservative fork tongues.
Closet sexual deviant Republicans tried running Billy out for Monica. Smh.
Moderate Republicans and Democrats.
The problem is that people in general are horrendously ignorant of what is involved in the practicalities of government. Witness Trump administration flailing at running the DOE, which has increased nuclear risks globally, but in ways that are opaque to the average citizen.
But we only did that because we knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Senate would not convict him.
I will be happy to judge an ideology.
Shouldn't we all? Isn't that how a marketplace of ideas works? Either something works, or it doesn't. What is commonly called "conservatism" very consistently fails on both a practical, and moral level. Frankly, as noted in the OP, it seems to have gone off the deep end, and is sputtering to incoherence.
If you want to get into religion, I will be happy to show you how the God of the bible is an immoral monster. That is easy. I can even walk you through what is commonly thought of as modern Christianity is mostly just cobbled together out of multiple polytheistic origins, just like every other mythology before it, and since. It isn't special, and it very obviously isn't some direction from a divine being, at least not one worth worshipping.
If you want to talk ideas, feel free to outline a Republican solution to health care and health insurance reform.
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