Jordan Calls Kawhi "Best 2-Way Player in the Game"

**tholdren** · 08-07-2017

USA Today lists KL at 4th overall

SI lists him at 6th overall

ESPN has him at 6th overall

All three of these have KD at 2nd overall.

These pundits have Curry and CP3 over Kawhi.

Must be a lot of re ed pundits. If they were only homers they'd see the light.

Ironic how these players probably have more endorsements and jersey sales. Lol at you for using media subjectivity as fact. No need to respond

**DMC** · 08-07-2017

Originally Posted by tholdren

Ironic how these players probably have more endorsements and jersey sales. Lol at you for using media subjectivity as fact. No need to respond

Westbrook and Irving are ahead of KL in jersey sales, but not in the rankings. Steph is number 1 in jersey sales, but 3rd on most rankings.

Great logic, you really worked that one out.

**spurs10** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by DMC

I wouldn't put him at 6th, but the best I found was 4th. I rank him 3rd which is obviously generous considering. Saying he's 2nd best is just homerism, and fiercely proud of it too...

What any of the pundits say and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee. I wouldn't exactly call Michael Jordan a homer though.

I believe he said this because of the MVP race where only Westbrook and Harden came into the discussion. All that being said, if you play for the Spurs your numbers will suffer because Pop doesn't care about individual accolades at the cost of winning and health.

**DMC** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by spurs10

What any of the pundits say and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee. I wouldn't exactly call Michael Jordan a homer though.

Pundits are pundits. We cite rankings from the same pundits, All NBA team votes from the same pundits.. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Mike qualified with "two way". The argument here is about best player in the game. Mike also picks Kobe over Lebron. Mike's comments are often self-serving.

I believe he said this because of the MVP race where only Westbrook and Harden came into the discussion. All that being said, if you play for the Spurs your numbers will suffer because Pop doesn't care about individual accolades at the cost of winning and health.

Mike said it because someone asked if Kawhi could score on Kawhi.

**spurs10** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by DMC

Pundits are pundits. We cite rankings from the same pundits, All NBA team votes from the same pundits.. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Mike qualified with "two way". The argument here is about best player in the game. Mike also picks Kobe over Lebron. Mike's comments are often self-serving.

Mike said it because someone asked if Kawhi could score on Kawhi.

I'm with you in the "pundits are pundits" and certainly like it when they speak highly of my guys. Thanks for clarifying why he made that statement in the first place. It's just a personal thing with me, but distenquishing between 'best' and 'best two-way' player is something I find strange in a game like basketball. Although I certainly understand how being good on either side of the ball is not mutually exclusive. It just seem like 'pundits' and people voting on things like MVP should consider both.

Also get the "cannot have your cake and eat it too" concept. I like to say 'I don't care about what critics say......unless of course they are saying wonderful things about whatever I'm interested in.'

**tholdren** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by DMC

Westbrook and Irving are ahead of KL in jersey sales, but not in the rankings. Steph is number 1 in jersey sales, but 3rd on most rankings.

Great logic, you really worked that one out.

Youre just not all there, are you..?

**DMC** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by spurs10

I'm with you in the "pundits are pundits" and certainly like it when they speak highly of my guys. Thanks for clarifying why he made that statement in the first place. It's just a personal thing with me, but distenquishing between 'best' and 'best two-way' player is something I find strange in a game like basketball. Although I certainly understand how being good on either side of the ball is not mutually exclusive. It just seem like 'pundits' and people voting on things like MVP should consider both.

Also get the "cannot have your cake and eat it too" concept. I like to say 'I don't care about what critics say......unless of course they are saying wonderful things about whatever I'm interested in.'

It is strange, but it's as much a slight on the one way player as it is on the two way player. Given the choice, I'd take the latter as a compliment and the former as "lacking". The one way player has to be so good at the one thing they do well that they influence the game even more than the two way player. I guess it's like a QB who can run as well. Most great QBs couldn't run for , but they were so good at passing and running the offense that they weren't considered deficient for not being great running QBs.

**DMC** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by tholdren

Youre just not all there, are you..?

You try too hard with your ty troll schtick, Thomas.

**tholdren** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by DMC

You try too hard with your ty troll schtick, Thomas.

Says the guy who mimicks what the media says...

**spurs10** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by DMC

The one way player has to be so good at the one thing they do well that they influence the game even more than the two way player.

Yep, like Bruce.

**DMC** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by tholdren

Says the guy who mimicks what the media says...

I cite, I don't mimic.

**tholdren** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by DMC

Pundits are pundits. We cite rankings from the same pundits, All NBA team votes from the same pundits.. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Mike qualified with "two way". The argument here is about best player in the game. Mike also picks Kobe over Lebron. Mike's comments are often self-serving.

Mike said it because someone asked if Kawhi could score on Kawhi.

And he picked kobe because of other aspects that made him great, which obviously, and again, you get influenced by current media hype. Fail all around jim

**DMC** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by tholdren

And he picked kobe because of other aspects that made him great, which obviously, and again, you get influenced by current media hype. Fail all around jim

Current media hype?

Show me where KL was ranked higher in years past.

**YGWHI** · 08-08-2017

Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24

I think that list was months ago.. The new list will be released close to the start of the season and I'm very sure that he will be no lower than 4 on every list.

Agree. The list was made BEFORE last season started but we can't let facts ruin dishonest takes. Why should someone mention these aren't current rankings? After all, it's not like Kawhi had an amazing, MVP-caliber season in 2016-17, to ascend on that list...