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    White House weighs broad gun-control agenda in wake of Newtown shootings

    By Philip Rucker, Saturday, January 5, 3:57 PM

    The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.

    A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

    To sell such changes, the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses. White House aides have also been in regular contact with advisers to New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), an outspoken gun-control advocate who could emerge as a powerful surrogate for the Obama administration’s agenda.

    The Biden group, formed last month after the massacre at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that killed 20 children and six adults, plans to submit a package of recommendations to President Obama this month. Once Obama’s proposals are set, he plans to lead a public-relations offensive to generate popular support.

    “They are very clearly committed to looking at this issue comprehensively,” said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who has been involved in the discussions. The proposals under consideration, he added, are “a deeper exploration than just the assault-weapons ban.”

    The gun-control push is just one part of an ambitious political agenda that Obama has pledged to pursue after his decisive reelection victory in November, including comprehensive immigration reform, climate-change legislation and long-term deficit reduction. Obama also faces a reshuffling of his Cabinet, and a looming debate over the nation’s debt ceiling that will compete for his time and attention in the coming months.

    In addition to potential legislative proposals, Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries. Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    “Simply coming up with one or two aspects of it really falls short of the magnitude of the gun issue in the country,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum.

    Wexler was among a dozen law enforcement leaders who met with Biden and other administration leaders in the aftermath of the Dec. 14 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The Dec. 20 summit, which stretched an hour beyond an allotted one hour, included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., Education Secretary Arne Duncan, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

    Biden “wanted to talk to us about the assault-weapons ban, automatic weapons, high-capacity magazines,” said Hennepin County (Minn.) Sheriff Richard Stanek, president of the Major County Sheriffs’ Association.

    The vice president said the White House group would consider a variety of proposals — from requiring background checks for all gun buyers to creating a new database that would allow the ATF to track all gun sales, according to participants.

    Stanek said the meeting also included significant discussion of mental-health issues, violence in video games and movies, and the poor quality of information contained in databases used to conduct criminal background checks before issuing gun permits.

    Some of the options the administration is considering may not ultimately be included in Obama’s package. A White House spokesman said Biden’s group was in the midst of its review and has made no decisions on its final recommendations.

    Politically rocky terrain

    The White House is also developing strategies to navigate the rocky and emotionally fraught terrain of gun politics once final policy decisions are made. The administration is quietly talking with a diverse array of interest groups, including religious leaders, mental-health professionals and hunters, to build as broad a coalition as possible, those involved in the discussions said.

    The president is expected to face fierce opposition from the NRA and its allies in Congress, including most Republicans and some Democrats.

    But Biden signaled to those involved in the policy discussions that the White House is not afraid of taking on the NRA, the nation’s largest gun rights group. At the Dec. 20 meeting, according to Stanek, when one law enforcement leader suggested focusing on only the most popular proposals, Biden responded: “Look, what I’m asking you for is your candid opinion and ideas about extreme gun violence. Leave the politics to the president. That’s our job with Congress.”

    NRA officials declined a request for comment. In response to the shooting in Newtown, Wayne LaPierre, the group’s executive vice president, called for installing armed police officers in every school.

    “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said at a news conference Dec. 21.

    One potential strategy would be to win support for specific measures from interest groups that are normally aligned with the NRA, according to one person who works closely with the administration on gun-related issues and who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity.

    For instance, this person suggested, Wal-Mart and other major gun retailers may have an incentive to support closing a loophole that allows people to bypass background checks if they purchase firearms at gun shows or through other types of private sales. That could result in more people buying guns in retail stores.

    Timing is imperative

    Obama’s advisers have calculated that the longer they wait, the more distance there is from the Newtown massacre and the greater the risk that the bipartisan political will to tackle gun violence will dissipate.

    “This is not something that I will be putting off,” Obama said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” in an interview broadcast last Sunday.

    At the White House meeting, Stanek said, “the vice president indicated that there was a very short timeline for him to get back to the president with his recommendations because the American public has a short memory.”

    Already, three weeks after the Newtown shooting, gun-control advocates are growing impatient with a legislative process that is just beginning.

    “As we get involved in these ad nauseam debates over the Second Amendment, our children are still at risk,” said Jon Adler, national president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. “Debating is not the action verb we need to protect our children.”

    With the start of the 113th Congress last week, several lawmakers filed bills to address gun violence. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who co-wrote a 1994 assault-weapons ban that expired in 2004, plans to introduce legislation this month that would ban the sale or manufacture of about 120 firearms, including semiautomatic rifles and military-style handguns, as well as ammunition magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds.

    The expired federal assault-weapons ban prohibited the manufacturing of 19 models of semiautomatic guns classified as assault weapons, including certain rifles and shot guns. The law also banned ammunition magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. But it did not ban the sale of previously manufactured assault weapons or high-capacity magazines.

    Since the law’s sunset, efforts in Congress over the past decade to reinstate the ban have faced stiff opposition from the NRA and the firearms industry and have never passed.

    Adler, who has submitted recommendations to Biden’s group, said he has told administration officials that they need to pursue multiple measures to increase their chances of success.

    “We can’t put all our protection-effort eggs in one basket with one piece of legislation,” he said. “We’ve got to do more than that.”

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    Not everyone lives on a ranch north of San Antonio and doesn't give as long as you get yours, CC. Obama has not lost his mind. Yopu are out of touch.

    Here is a great CSM article talking about shifts in at udes towards gun control.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society...-major-caveats

    There is not a lot of support for a handgun or assault weapon ban but that article doesn't say that is what the proposal will include. Only that they are talking about it. Perhaps you had best plan on how things actually are rather then how you would like them to be.

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    he's got nothing to lose. Put his chicago-style gun controls on the entire nation.

    Worked real in Chicago... oh, wait...

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    Everyone realizing their pay got less from his taxes.
    No shot of him able to sell more social programs to people for political points
    No recovery in sight
    This is all he's got!

    He'll lose though. Walmart isn't going to play ball.

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    he's got nothing to lose. Put his chicago-style gun controls on the entire nation.

    Worked real in Chicago... oh, wait...
    How far is Indiana from Chicago? What are the requirements for purchasing a handgun in Indiana?

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    "well-regulated"

    two Cons utional words you 2nd Amendment frauds, less gun fetishists, old paranoid fatass white guys, the NRA, and the gun industry love to ignore.

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    A well regulated Militia. It doesn't say the tools of the militia.

    Don't get me wrong, the problem is we all disagree on what is a reasonable regulation.

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    Everyone realizing their pay got less from his taxes.
    No shot of him able to sell more social programs to people for political points
    No recovery in sight
    This is all he's got!

    He'll lose though. Walmart isn't going to play ball.
    No payscale in the Army all the way to O-11 will see a raise in taxes so we know you won't see a tax increase.

    We have been experiencing economic growth of about 1.75% for the past two years. The economy added more jobs this past December as it had for the previous several months. Why let facts get in the way though?

    Your GOP got it's ass handed to it 2 months ago ffs and more or less bent over for the Dems on the cliff deal immediately following the beatdown.

    What you should think about is your GOP current posturing of brinksmanship regarding the debt ceiling and what happened last time to our nation's credit rating. You should think about the GOP schism that is only becoming more apparent as the rats jump the ship.

    Off year elections are very dangerous for the GOP as they slink back to the far right catering to the base during the primaries only to demonstrate how business as usual doesn't play with the broader electorate anymore. The next 4 years might be the beginning of another 1934-1994 for the GOP if they continue to the bed.

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    The economy added more jobs this past December as it had for the previous several months. Why let facts get in the way though?
    Yes, why not...

    You are the expert at construing facts.

    155,000 jobs added in December 2012. 2012 average is 153,000...

    How many of those jobs might be new tax preparers in training...

    US Department of Labor link: Employment Situation Summary

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    WC: I am not going to make your 'might be' case. It's much more entertaining watching you try turn your wishful thinking into a credible argument.

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    What won't pass: Gun registration database

    What will pass: pork spending tacked on that has nothing to do with guns.

    The rest is pretty much being done already, and stiffer penalties? Are they going to dig Lanza up and issue him a citation? They should enforce existing laws.

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    No payscale in the Army all the way to O-11 will see a raise in taxes so we know you won't see a tax increase.

    We have been experiencing economic growth of about 1.75% for the past two years. The economy added more jobs this past December as it had for the previous several months. Why let facts get in the way though?

    Your GOP got it's ass handed to it 2 months ago ffs and more or less bent over for the Dems on the cliff deal immediately following the beatdown.

    What you should think about is your GOP current posturing of brinksmanship regarding the debt ceiling and what happened last time to our nation's credit rating. You should think about the GOP schism that is only becoming more apparent as the rats jump the ship.

    Off year elections are very dangerous for the GOP as they slink back to the far right catering to the base during the primaries only to demonstrate how business as usual doesn't play with the broader electorate anymore. The next 4 years might be the beginning of another 1934-1994 for the GOP if they continue to the bed.
    America lives under the shadow of George W. Bush


    Editor's note: Julian Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. He is the author of "Jimmy Carter" and of "Governing America."
    Princeton, New Jersey (CNN)

    -- Somewhere in Texas, former President George W. Bush is smiling.
    Although some Democrats are pleased that taxes will now go up on the wealthiest Americans, the recent deal to avert the fiscal cliff entrenches, rather than dismantles, one of Bush's signature legacies -- income tax cuts. Ninety-nine percent of American households were protected from tax increases, aside from the expiration of the reduced rate for the payroll tax.

    In the final deal, Congress and President Barack Obama agreed to preserve most of the Bush tax cuts, including exemptions on the estate tax.
    When Bush started his term in 2001, many of his critics dismissed him as a lightweight, the son of a former president who won office as result of his family's political fortune and a controversial decision by the Supreme Court on the 2000 election.

    But what has become clear in hindsight, regardless of what one thinks of Bush and his politics, is that his administration left behind a record that has had a huge impact on American politics, a record that will not easily be dismantled by future presidents.

    The twin pillars of Bush's record were counterterrorism policies and tax cuts. During his first term, it became clear that Obama would not dismantle most of the homeland security apparatus put into place by his predecessor. Despite a campaign in 2008 that focused on flaws with the nation's response to 9/11, Obama has kept most of the counterterrorism program intact.

    In some cases, the administration continues to aggressively use tactics his supporters once decried, such as relying on renditions to detain terrorist suspects who are overseas, as The Washington Post reported this week. In other areas, the administration has expanded the war on terrorism, including the broader use of drone strikes to kill terrorists.

    Now come taxes and spending.

    With regard to the Bush tax cuts, Obama had promised to overturn a policy that he saw as regressive. Although he always said that he would protect the middle class from tax increases, Obama criticized Bush for pushing through Congress policies that bled the federal government of needed revenue and benefited the wealthy.

    In 2010, Obama agreed to temporarily extend all the tax cuts. Though many Democrats were furious, Obama concluded that he had little political chance to overturn them and he seemed to agree with Republicans that reversing them would hurt an economy limping along after a terrible recession.


    With the fiscal cliff deal, Obama could certainly claim more victories than in 2010. Taxes for the wealthiest Americans will go up. Congress also agreed to extend unemployment compensation and continue higher payments to Medicare providers.


    But beneath all the sound and fury is the fact that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, for most Americans, are now a permanent part of the legislative landscape. (In addition, middle class Americans will breathe a sigh of relief that Congress has permanently fixed the Alternative Minimum Tax, which would have hit many of them with a provision once designed to make sure that the wealthy paid their fair share.)
    As Michigan Republican Rep. Dave Camp remarked, "After more than a decade of criticizing these tax cuts, Democrats are finally joining Republicans in making them permanent." Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the new legislation will increase the deficit by $4 trillion over the next 10 years.
    The tax cuts have significant consequences on all of American policy.


    Most important, the fact that a Democratic president has now legitimated the moves of a Republican administration gives a bipartisan imprimatur to the legitimacy of the current tax rates.

    Although some Republicans signed on to raising taxes for the first time in two decades, the fact is that Democrats have agreed to tax rates which, compared to much of the 20th century, are extraordinarily low. Public perception of a new status quo makes it harder for presidents to ever raise taxes on most Americans to satisfy the revenue needs for the federal government.


    At the same time, the continuation of reduced taxes keeps the federal government in a fiscal straitjacket. As a result, politicians are left to focus on finding the money to pay for existing programs or making cuts wherever possible.

    New innovations in federal policy that require substantial revenue are just about impossible. To be sure, there have been significant exceptions, such as the Affordable Care Act. But overall, bold policy departures that require significant amounts of general revenue are harder to come by than in the 1930s or 1960s.


    Republicans thus succeed with what some have called the "starve the beast" strategy of cutting government by taking away its resources. Since the long-term deficit only becomes worse, Republicans will continue to have ample opportunity to pressure Democrats into accepting spending cuts and keep them on the defense with regards to new government programs.



    With his income tax cuts enshrined, Bush can rest comfortably that much of the policy world he designed will remain intact and continue to define American politics. Obama has struggled to work within the world that Bush created, and with this legislation, even with his victories, he has demonstrated that the possibilities for change have been much more limited than he imagined when he ran in 2008 or even in 2012.


    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/03/opinio...ush/index.html

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    No payscale in the Army all the way to O-11 will see a raise in taxes so we know you won't see a tax increase.

    We have been experiencing economic growth of about 1.75% for the past two years. The economy added more jobs this past December as it had for the previous several months. Why let facts get in the way though?

    Your GOP got it's ass handed to it 2 months ago ffs and more or less bent over for the Dems on the cliff deal immediately following the beatdown.

    What you should think about is your GOP current posturing of brinksmanship regarding the debt ceiling and what happened last time to our nation's credit rating. You should think about the GOP schism that is only becoming more apparent as the rats jump the ship.

    Off year elections are very dangerous for the GOP as they slink back to the far right catering to the base during the primaries only to demonstrate how business as usual doesn't play with the broader electorate anymore. The next 4 years might be the beginning of another 1934-1994 for the GOP if they continue to the bed.
    LOL at you thinking that was a Republican beatdown. They got the Bush tax cuts for those making less than 450K made PERMANENT along with the 5 million X2 estate tax exemption made PERMANENT. Sayin it don't make it so. Conservatives won that round, the liberal media just doesn't want to admit it and you are too stupid to realize it.

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    The GOP couldn't beat Barack 'floundering' Obama. The GOP lost 6 seats in the house, 2 seats in the Senate, and couldn't beat the lamest duck in bent since Hoover. Pull your head out of your ass. All of this was under the backdrop of GOP claims of retaking the Congress specifically the Senate.

    And the media is just parroting the line from within GOP ranks. Trying to act like the tax policy was not bipartisan is hilarious as is ignoring the GOP rhetoric about spending and actual policy implementation of said rhetoric.

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    America lives under the shadow of George W. Bush


    Editor's note: Julian Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. He is the author of "Jimmy Carter" and of "Governing America."
    Princeton, New Jersey (CNN)

    -- Somewhere in Texas, former President George W. Bush is smiling.
    Although some Democrats are pleased that taxes will now go up on the wealthiest Americans, the recent deal to avert the fiscal cliff entrenches, rather than dismantles, one of Bush's signature legacies -- income tax cuts. Ninety-nine percent of American households were protected from tax increases, aside from the expiration of the reduced rate for the payroll tax.

    In the final deal, Congress and President Barack Obama agreed to preserve most of the Bush tax cuts, including exemptions on the estate tax.
    When Bush started his term in 2001, many of his critics dismissed him as a lightweight, the son of a former president who won office as result of his family's political fortune and a controversial decision by the Supreme Court on the 2000 election.

    But what has become clear in hindsight, regardless of what one thinks of Bush and his politics, is that his administration left behind a record that has had a huge impact on American politics, a record that will not easily be dismantled by future presidents.

    The twin pillars of Bush's record were counterterrorism policies and tax cuts. During his first term, it became clear that Obama would not dismantle most of the homeland security apparatus put into place by his predecessor. Despite a campaign in 2008 that focused on flaws with the nation's response to 9/11, Obama has kept most of the counterterrorism program intact.

    In some cases, the administration continues to aggressively use tactics his supporters once decried, such as relying on renditions to detain terrorist suspects who are overseas, as The Washington Post reported this week. In other areas, the administration has expanded the war on terrorism, including the broader use of drone strikes to kill terrorists.

    Now come taxes and spending.

    With regard to the Bush tax cuts, Obama had promised to overturn a policy that he saw as regressive. Although he always said that he would protect the middle class from tax increases, Obama criticized Bush for pushing through Congress policies that bled the federal government of needed revenue and benefited the wealthy.

    In 2010, Obama agreed to temporarily extend all the tax cuts. Though many Democrats were furious, Obama concluded that he had little political chance to overturn them and he seemed to agree with Republicans that reversing them would hurt an economy limping along after a terrible recession.


    With the fiscal cliff deal, Obama could certainly claim more victories than in 2010. Taxes for the wealthiest Americans will go up. Congress also agreed to extend unemployment compensation and continue higher payments to Medicare providers.


    But beneath all the sound and fury is the fact that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, for most Americans, are now a permanent part of the legislative landscape. (In addition, middle class Americans will breathe a sigh of relief that Congress has permanently fixed the Alternative Minimum Tax, which would have hit many of them with a provision once designed to make sure that the wealthy paid their fair share.)
    As Michigan Republican Rep. Dave Camp remarked, "After more than a decade of criticizing these tax cuts, Democrats are finally joining Republicans in making them permanent." Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the new legislation will increase the deficit by $4 trillion over the next 10 years.
    The tax cuts have significant consequences on all of American policy.


    Most important, the fact that a Democratic president has now legitimated the moves of a Republican administration gives a bipartisan imprimatur to the legitimacy of the current tax rates.

    Although some Republicans signed on to raising taxes for the first time in two decades, the fact is that Democrats have agreed to tax rates which, compared to much of the 20th century, are extraordinarily low. Public perception of a new status quo makes it harder for presidents to ever raise taxes on most Americans to satisfy the revenue needs for the federal government.


    At the same time, the continuation of reduced taxes keeps the federal government in a fiscal straitjacket. As a result, politicians are left to focus on finding the money to pay for existing programs or making cuts wherever possible.

    New innovations in federal policy that require substantial revenue are just about impossible. To be sure, there have been significant exceptions, such as the Affordable Care Act. But overall, bold policy departures that require significant amounts of general revenue are harder to come by than in the 1930s or 1960s.


    Republicans thus succeed with what some have called the "starve the beast" strategy of cutting government by taking away its resources. Since the long-term deficit only becomes worse, Republicans will continue to have ample opportunity to pressure Democrats into accepting spending cuts and keep them on the defense with regards to new government programs.



    With his income tax cuts enshrined, Bush can rest comfortably that much of the policy world he designed will remain intact and continue to define American politics. Obama has struggled to work within the world that Bush created, and with this legislation, even with his victories, he has demonstrated that the possibilities for change have been much more limited than he imagined when he ran in 2008 or even in 2012.


    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/03/opinio...ush/index.html
    Is there some point to this other than the two party system and the holes it pigeons us into is problematic? FWIW, I agree that taxes need to be brought back up around 6% to about 19% which is what it was before the Boomer's started voting themselves a free ride.

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    WC: I am not going to make your 'might be' case. It's much more entertaining watching you try turn your wishful thinking into a credible argument.
    There you go assuming again, and being wrong, again.

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    There you go assuming again, and being wrong, again.
    The WC fallback when he has no clue wtf he is talking about. What assumption am I making? this should be entertaining.

    Oh and as an aside, you little GOP 3some here flies in the face of your assumption that this is a 'liberal' board.

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    If you say so troll. Everyone knows just how lame you are.

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    What assumption did I make?

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    don't get the panic in the thread le... what should the fuzz be about?

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    he might have lost his mind but we'll see if he is downright crazy..anything uncons utional could prove dangerous imho. you know that the people aren't going to stand for the bull ..this much has already been made clear. we will see full scale civil war before any of these draconian measures come to pass.
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    Making innuendo's about assaulting POTUS and allusions to civil war on a public forum is not the smartest thing I have ever read.

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    who the did that? i'm just pointing out the obvious in a country full of crazies..i never said any such thing about doing anything criminal and ill go ahead and make it clear by saying that i have NO plans to assault anyone personally..but the obvious is obvious and i'm not going to be scared to point it out in a land where do DO still have free speech.

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    you liberal cowards crack me up..there is nothing wrong with saying that if you impose upon people's cons uational rights that they aren't going to stand for it by any means necessary. it's already written in the cons ution that the people DO reserve that right..please next time keep your stupid to yourself.

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    who the did that? i'm just pointing out the obvious in a country full of crazies..i never said any such thing about doing anything criminal and ill go ahead and make it clear by saying that i have NO plans to assault anyone personally..but the obvious is obvious and i'm not going to be scared to point it out in a land where do DO still have free speech.
    Uh huh and you call others cowards. So who are these obvious revolutionaries that are going to harm the president? Friends of yours cause I never see them

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