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    In the basement of comet ping pong

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    Out of 50 ISIS claims she’s studied since 2014 only found 3 to be false.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/rcallimac...98590153129984

    This could be the 4th false one, or not. I’m keeping an open mind.
    Translation:

    Hillary did it.

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    I Think Mark Steyn’s Correspondent Has The Las Vegas Massacre Figured Out

    And here’s the Las Vegas theory…

    Today we turned our collective minds to the the shooting in Las Vegas as a test case since the event is extraordinary in that thus far no one appears to have identified a cause behind the carnage. This is our reasoning:

    The fact pattern in this event is striking for not fitting any known profile. In particular:

    The gentleman concerned had no known political or religious affiliations.

    The level of premeditation is unusual and crystal clear from his mass buying of guns and the cautious systematic smuggling operation to ferry them to his room together with the illegal modifications and the position of the room he chose and occupied for several days beforehand.

    This denotes a deeply serious commitment to his act. And one which leaves no doubt that act was conceived to generate the maximum possible publicity.

    The question then is: ‘publicity’ for what exactly?

    And the answer would appear to be ‘nothing that can be identified’.

    But consider the moral behind the following joke (I assure you it has a point beyond humour):

    A known smuggler crosses the border every day at a particular crossing. Every day his suitcase is searched and nothing is found. After 20 years he crosses for a last time and confides to the policeman who has been searching him all that while that he is retiring.

    The policeman asks him ‘Ok – since you’re clean today and will never cross the border again tell me this – you’ve been smuggling – right?’

    The man says ‘Right.’.The policeman says ‘Smuggling what?’

    The man says ‘Suitcases.’

    Hold that ‘hiding in plain sight’ concept as we return to the shooting. This man amassed (rough figures) 24 guns in the hotel and another 19 at his home – 42 guns in total. He spent some $100,000 on buying them. The guns at his home are one thing but he also spent days filling his hotel room with more weapons and ammunition than he could ever conceivably use along with an array of advanced modifications and accessories.

    Everything brand new. And very expensive. And mostly entirely redundant. Representing in effect an enormous waste of money and time and risk.

    Except that is in the realm of generating massive publicity. Guaranteed massive publicity.

    Yet despite having gone to enormous lengths to achieve that goal we are asked to believe this same man never troubled – never took the most elementary steps – to speak to that publicity. Indeed left behind no trace of anything that might demonstrate indicate or even hint at his motive or motives.

    That would appear to make very little sense.

    We would argue the opposite – that it makes absolute sense.

    Because this gentleman did not simply fail to leave behind a motive; He took substantial trouble to ensure that no motive could be found – or attributed to him. All of which can lead us to only one conclusion:

    It has been said that ‘the medium is the message’.

    In this case that is the literal truth. There is only one plausible motive for what this man did. And here it is:

    This man wished to telegraph to America in graphic form the hard irrefutable evidence that guns and gun ownership and the ease of gun purchase in America are an evil and must be controlled. On that hypothesis everything now makes sense. And it must be said his concept has a certain demented genius.

    Because even if the public learns and believes that his motive was all about ‘guns’ the horror of the act itself – an act to protest such acts – is in some ways even worse for being plain evidence that there is no limit to the insanity to which guns can be put.

    Here then is our argument:

    1. His long planned and carefully executed purchase of a virtual armoury of unprecedented scope and scale guaranteed that very armoury would inevitably become the central focus of the media.

    2. His assiduous removal of evidence of any tangible motive also removed the possibility that the news cycle might move on from guns – simply the means of the killing – to considering the more interesting issues of motive and message – be it political or economic or environmental or anything else.

    3. This man was a highly methodical and systematic thinker. Nothing in the scenario that unfolded was left to chance – even down to positioning cameras to surveil the corridor. It is therefore inconceivable that this was all done in this precise manner for no reason. That there is no message.

    But of course there is indeed a message. It only happens to be implicit instead of explicit. That message is ‘guns’. And that message is being trawled over every minute of every day on every network in America. Given the nature of the man and the facts this is not a chance outcome. On the contrary given the known facts it is indeed the only possible outcome. An outcome so obvious that anyone given the full story beforehand would have predicted as inevitable.

    4. The people he chose to kill supports the hypothesis on ‘guns’. Country and Western fans are virtually guaranteed to own or at least to defend the ownership of guns. By a certain logic this provides the gunman with two sound moral positions (because it is not beyond possibility he has a conscience):

    First – While killing a very large number of innocent people is an horrendous crime it is nonetheless entirely justifiable – in moral terms – if it causes a restriction on guns. Because such a restriction would – it is widely held – save innumerable lives in the long run. There is no evidence for this but it is still a widely and passionately held belief.

    Second – Since the people he is shooting are actively or passively defenders of guns and an obstacle to gun control they are by definition responsible in part for all the people who have been and continue to be killed by guns.


    Makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?

    To be sure, there are facts uncovered by the investigation into Paddock and his actions in Las Vegas which are not in the public realm, and those may or may not lend credence to this theory. But based on what we know so far, this theory is quite persuasive. Paddock didn’t leave behind a confession, so you don’t have concrete evidence that he was “smuggling suitcases.”

    The overabundance of guns and ammunition, though, is a giveaway. So is the angle of his firing – shooting from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Casino, Paddock’s assault on those Las Vegas concert-goers can be considered a rebuttal to the common retort to the gun control crowd after a mass shooting that if any of the victims had been armed the results would have been far less bloody; nobody in that crowd was going to shoot back at him with any success.

    And the media coverage of Las Vegas has been precisely what Paddock, under this theory, would have wanted. Things got so bad that the supposedly conservative New York Times columnist Bret Stephens abandoned the 2nd Amendment late last week in one of the dumbest pieces we’ve ever read. The National Rifle Association even offered to give ground on bump stocks, a modification to an AR-15 rifle which can make it function similarly to an automatic weapon.

    So if this was mass murder-as-public-policy-advocacy, it might have some potency. Obviously it’s a level of horror which hasn’t been brought to the public discourse as such so far, but on the other hand this is what societal decline looks like.

    Absent any other information about the case than what we know to date – and we’re not persuaded by any of the conspiracy theories about multiple shooters or ISIS or whatever else is bubbling up out of the fever swamps so far – this is what seems to best explain the horror in Las Vegas.



    Read more: http://thehayride.com/2017/10/think-...#ixzz4vPf4YpgU

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    But no manifesto on guns? No political affiliations and yet staunchly anti-gun? Anti-gun yet commits mass shooting and commits suicide to not see his purpose through? Raises as many questions as answers.

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    But no manifesto on guns? No political affiliations and yet staunchly anti-gun? Anti-gun yet commits mass shooting and commits suicide to not see his purpose through? Raises as many questions as answers.
    None of the above is necessary if this was actually his motive.

    Everything he brought was overkill and not needed to pull of what he did. He probably had $100,000 worth of inventory in that room...all legally purchased and available to the public. He had the time and money to get a stamp and beltfed machine gun that would have inflicted much more damage but chose not too.

    Dozens of AR15s
    12 bumpfire stocks
    Stacks upon stacks of magazines
    Tracer rounds
    Tannerite

    If he was actually doing this to get a push for more gun control it makes perfect sense

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    None of the above is necessary if this was actually his motive.

    Everything he brought was overkill and not needed to pull of what he did. He probably had $100,000 worth of inventory in that room...all legally purchased and available to the public. He had the time and money to get a stamp and beltfed machine gun that would have inflicted much more damage but chose not too.

    Dozens of AR15s
    12 bumpfire stocks
    Stacks upon stacks of magazines
    Tracer rounds
    Tannerite

    If he was actually doing this to get a push for more gun control it makes perfect sense
    How about he just really wanted to kill a lot of people from a building and knew the guns could jam?

    Does that not make perfect sense as well?

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    Any updates on this, Chris?

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    Any updates on this, Chris?
    Aww you missed me

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    Aww you missed me
    You never answered the question.
    Any updates on this, Chris?

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    You never answered the question.
    Any updates on this, Chris?
    Do your own research. I've told you multiple times I'm not going to hold your hand.

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    Do your own research. I've told you multiple times I'm not going to hold your hand.
    I did the research -- turns out Trump regularly meets with Adelson. So he must be in on your conspiracy too.

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    I did the research -- turns out Trump regularly meets with Adelson.
    Like once a week regularly, or quarterly? Do you think they met with the Russians?

    So he must be in on your conspiracy too.
    I don't have a 'conspiracy'. Never said such. More projection from Pavlov's warped mind.

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    Like once a week regularly, or quarterly?
    Quite regularly. It's very well do ented.
    Do you think they met with the Russians?
    This is your conspiracy.



    I don't have a 'conspiracy'. Never said such. More projection from Pavlov's warped mind.
    Why did you post that in the first place, Chris? Tell me how your mind worked that day.

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    Why did you post that in the first place, Chris? Tell me how your mind worked that day.
    I thought it was interesting, and that it would stimulate the conversation. You're just upset you got me confused with another poster in that other thread, and desperate to save face several days later.

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    I thought it was interesting, and that it would stimulate the conversation.
    Interesting in what way?

    Let's have a conversation about it.

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    The press has moved on. The pressing issue most important to the world is "who else did Harvey hit on?"

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    This thing just keeps getting stranger

    Las Vegas security guard Jesus Campos disappears moments before TV interviews

    Where in the world is Jesus Campos?

    The Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Stephen Paddock in the moments leading up to the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history was set to break his silence Thursday night with five television interviews, including one on Fox News, Campos' union president said.

    Except when the cameras were about to roll, and media gathered in the building to talk to him, Campos reportedly bolted, and, as of early Friday morning, it wasn't immediately clear where he was.

    “We were in a room and we came out and he was gone,” Campos' union president told reporters, according to ABC News’ Stephanie Wash.

    Campos is represented by the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America, which did not respond to requests for comment from Fox News earlier this week.

    Fox News' Sean Hannity tweeted out that Campos, who was scheduled to appear on "Hannity" Thursday night, “cancelled” his appearance.

    Little is known about Campos, with few pictures to emerge of the security guard and no apparent online footprint surfacing to provide details about one of the central figures in the mass shooting.

    SPFPA President David L. Hickey told reporters new information about the timeline of the attack -- for which Las Vegas Police and MGM Resorts have given conflicting accounts – doesn’t dispute Campos is still a hero for saving a maintenance worker and possibly stopping additional shots, Wash reported.

    MGM Resorts issued a statement Thursday to “correct some of the misinformation that has been reported."

    “We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after, the time Jesus Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio,” the statement said. “Metro officers were together with armed Mandalay Bay security officers in the building when Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio. These Metro officers and armed Mandalay Bay security officers immediately responded to the 32nd floor.”

    In the most recent police timeline, provided Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Paddock fired about 200 bullets from his room at the resort starting at 9:59 p.m. on Oct. 1 -- the volley in which Campos was hit -- and then began opening fire on the music festival crowd six minutes later.

    Police had earlier said the opposite – that Campos was struck after Paddock started firing out the window.

    Nearly two weeks into the investigation, authorities have yet to disclose a motive for Paddock’s attack, which left 58 dead.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13...nterviews.html
    Probably floating somewhere with sardines and seaweed...there's also a joke there I don't wanna make right now...
    Found him.

    On national TV.

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    so you think I should pee infront of your 13 year old daughter?

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    He probably threw it away knowing cops would investigate after shooting spree. If I knew the cops were going to be searching my place i wouldn't want nobody seeing my search history and I'm a normal person

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    He probably threw it away knowing cops would investigate after shooting spree. If I knew the cops were going to be searching my place i wouldn't want nobody seeing my search history and I'm a normal person
    The laptop was in his hotel room he offed himself in

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    In 2007, Virginia Tech shooter Cho Seung Hui removed the hard drive of his computer and disposed of his cell phone shortly before the massacre. Authorities even searched a pond for the missing digital media, but the devices were never recovered.

    The 2008 Northern Illinois shooter, Steven Kazmierczak, removed the SIM card from his phone and the hard drive from his laptop, and neither was recovered.

    In 2012, Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza had removed the hard drive from his computer and smashed it with a hammer or screwdriver.
    Wow. This means they're all ISIS. Or Antifa. Probably both.

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    The laptop was in his hotel room he offed himself in
    Before he shoots everyone he takes hard drive out then drops it in garbage day before.

    But you know could also be illuminati that did it as well don't wanna discount that

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    Has it been released if the massive amount of data use was from an upload or download

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    Has it been released if the massive amount of data use was from an upload or download
    What amount of data are you saying?

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