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You really don't seem to want to answer my question.
Why do you think that your conservative site didn't tell you about the economic benefits of making people healthier through access to health care?
Do we ration health care in the US? If so, how?
(the answer is yes, btw, but guess how we do it)
You really don't seem to want to answer my question.
Why do you think that your conservative site didn't tell you about the economic benefits of making people healthier through access to health care?
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I guess rmt isn't going to answer.
When someone is too chicken to answer usually means that answer hurts her/his arguments.
In this case, rmt's article is easily exposed as one-sided propaganda.
A good critical thinker would ask the question "you only told me about the costs, but what are the benefits?"
Good decision making and good policy NEVER only considers the costs. That is like telling yourself " that high-blood pressure medication costs $200, guess I will take a pass", then ending up in the ER.
Conservative think tanks are literally paid to lie to you. And yet... why do people still trust them?
Confirmation bias anyone?
You guessed right.
Just came off a weekend trip to the Urgent Care and ER with ds and finding out that I have to get an outpatient procedure done and am not in the mood to argue about something I posted probably weeks ago. Took ds to urgent care with asthma attack. Doc said he isn't wheezing - I say what do you mean he isn't wheezing - I can hear it with my naked ear and you can't with your stethoscope? Ds: I'm wheezing. Doc: Okay, maybe he's wheezing a bit. He has an abnormal ekg - you need to go to the ER. We go to the ER, doc there is flaming mad that the urgent care doctor did not give my son any treatment and instead is concerned about an ekg when he is in respiratory distress.
And name calling is not exactly the way to get someone to answer your question.
ds? (guessing "dear son")
Hope he is better. My oldest had a couple of scary bouts with asthma that ended in an ER, so I know how scary it can be.
Namecalling is an expression of frustration. I can only patiently ask a question so many times, before civility gives way. I am human.
I wasn't really trying to argue anything, merely make a point about critical thinking. The conservative think tank didn't spend one second trying to calculate the benefits of the policy it tallied the costs for.
Don't you think that is dishonest? I do.
Shouldn't public policy be determined by a rational consideration of cost AND benefit?
Not when the oligarchy is implementing public policy for its own profit.
Laws, regs don't happen unless somebody gets paid, and the oligarchy outbids, pays the most.
Politicians ALWAYS have their for-sale hands extended. They are very inexpensive compared to the oligarchy's $Bs of corrupting funds
And I apologize for my snippyness - residual from the vaccine thread - I know, I've got to let it go. You have been polite to me - that is NOTHING compared to some of the stuff I've been called on this board (which I refuse to respond to).
Look, I can't even remember now what it was about - much less what conservative site I mentioned. But in general, I want to decide on cost and benefit - not have some en y or government decide for me (especially when they abound with corrupt people). I'm going to have a relaxing Thanksgiving and wish you and yours one too.
I am going to be cleaning as wife cooks. Simple family thing for us. My mom is.. not a warm fuzzy person, so we aren't up there with our kids to "stress" her out.A new report from the conservative Foundation for Government Accountability finds that enrollment in Medicaid expansion states is far higher than projected.
It will be very relaxing not having my mom say something catty to my wife and having to intervene.
Hope yours is relaxing and fun too.
On to the topic, because it is important:
Read the report. Good for costs on Medicaid expansion, but no attempt was made to quantify benefits. Read it directly yourself. (pdf 16 pages, color)
https://thefga.org/wp-content/upload...rojections.pdf
The concept of adverse selection (insurance term, click here for definition/explanation) pretty much predicts that enrollment will be more than forecast, as the sickest people, who need care the most, sign up. Doesn't surprise me.
It was always going to get more people, and more sick people into it.
We can quibble over cost all day long, but if no conservative is willing to acknowledge that making sick people healthier has some benefit, then we are not going to have an honest discussion, or one that might suggest a policy solution that deals with reality.
Raise taxes to cover it. Not really a difficult solution. Better would be a single payer system. Government covers everything, let the doctors decide what is needed.
Having a huge pool of people will get a LOT of bargaining power to the table, and eliminate a lot of the cost-shifting that goes on behind the scenes.
This +10
For the ed and un able cowards in the audience...
We are experiencing a large societal correction via the Weinstein effect.
Corrections and societal evolution happens. It might take something similar to implement single payor. It can happen. Don't be scared.
*Edit....Weinstein not Walmstein. Jeebus!*
Last edited by TeyshaBlue; 11-23-2017 at 12:36 PM.
I guess Trump is a huge wildcard since he has no real ideology. But it would take an absolute monster Democrat wave election next November for him to abandon his right wing conspiri governing philosophy and also allow him to be able to twist some Republican arms in the senate to get to 60 on a vote for single payer. But he could claim he repealed and replaced Obamacare with something genuinely good in that case, so you could play up to his ego.
I didn't think Trump is stable/functional enough too pull that off. I had hoped he would grenade the GOP and force the Tea Party s to spilt off,but he couldn't even pull that off.
That could still happen in 2018 when establishment Republicans try to take the party back.
Haven't they pretty much given up on that? No one has Flake or Corker's back, Trump is the GOP.
heh, Good, 'cause I googled "walmstein" and came up with bupkiss. (worked backwards from an unedited quote)
I think so. The mid-term is going to see a LOT of turnout, and that extra turnout is going to be overwhelmingly Democrat voters.
We are pissed.
That means that the GOP will be fighting itself at the same time the Dems are stomping the out of them. Doesn't matter who wins that GOP infighting, they will blame each other, and cost them a complete blowout in 2020.
I cannot ing wait.
That is why the GOP is going to get itself curb stomped. Doesn't matter who the top of the GOP ticket is, the next Democratic nominee will just run against Trump and tie him in the minds of voters to whoever is unlucky enough to fight that battle. Middle America is increasingly revolted by what the GOP decided to do once it actually had power.
"GOP is going to get itself curb stomped."
wishful thinking.
Severe partisan gerrymandering, voter suppression, and Trash/Repug base will prevent any curb stomping.
btw, this Friday, a 35-year-old consent decree against the RNC's voter suppression, election ing expires.
If the decree isn't extended, the Kobach/Pence voter suppression project will suppress even many more Ms of voters, esp in swing states.
Then there's the SCOTUS case about partisan gerrymandering. I expect oligarchy 5-4 to enshrine partisan gerrymandering as "settled law" and Cons utionally protected.
iow, America is ed and un able.
The DNC got destroyed last year running on the "Trump is a piece of " platform. They better start talking policy and showing how Trump's goals are against the working class.
"something similar to implement single payor. It can happen. Don't be scared."
ain't gonna happen.
Racism is fundamental to America
Racism, esp in red/slave-state counties, is why white people prefer to be fleeced, scammed by BigHealthCare than vote for Medicare-for-all, because that would mean knitters and Mexicans would be covered, and evangelical God says they don't deserve it because they are bad people.
Then there is huge obstacle of the oligarchy's $Bs available to maintain, to buy the status quo, and to purge or defeat any politicians who vote for, campaign on Medicare for all.
Can't even get universal health care in hippy, dippy, flaky, nutty blue CA because Brown, etc are on the BigHealthCare payroll.
This is the kind of technocrat that the Democratic party needs, and, thankfully, encourages.
She has my vote if she ever ran for higher office.
Can't get it in CA because it's too expensive and Brown knows it as do the voters in VT and CO. Because if you think that the homeless and illegals are plentiful in CA now, you ain't seen anything yet - add all the sickly to even more of them.
Despite Trump attacks, Obamacare sign-ups hold steady, new numbers show
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...s=mcnewsletter
Copy/Paste.
Medicaid expansion is the biggest waste of money especially when less doctors and health systems are taking new Medicaid patients since the reimbursements are trash and late.
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