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    http://www.newsweek.com/if-war-north...mmander-707212
    U.S. COULD LOSE IN A WAR AGAINST NORTH KOREA'S MASSIVE ARMY, FORMER PENTAGON COMMANDER WARNS
    BY JOHN HALTIWANGER ON 11/9/17 AT 5:25 PM

    If a conflict between North Korea and the United States suddenly broke out, U.S. troops in South Korea would be "outnumbered" and undersupplied, warns Lt. Gen. Jan-Marc Jouas, the former deputy commander of U.S. Forces in Korea.

    "The 28,500 U.S. Armed Forces personnel in South Korea are vastly outnumbered by North Korean forces, as well as [South Korean] forces that will conduct the overwhelming majority of the fighting. Unlike every conflict since the last Korean War, we will not be able to build up our forces prior to the start of hostilities," Jouas wrote in a November 7 letter obtained by Newsweek to several Democratic members of Congress. It's estimated North Korea has roughly 1.2 million troops.

    Jouas's letter is addressed to Representatives Ted Lieu and Ruben Gallego and Senator Tammy Duckworth, all veterans of the U.S. military who've recently expressed grave concern over President Donald Trump's rhetoric and stance toward North Korea.

    From January 2012 to December 2014, Jouas was intimately involved in formulating plans to counter a North Korean attack on South Korea. "This threat was the most dangerous Id faced since the end of the Cold War, and planning for it the most challenging problem Id encountered in my 35-year career," he said.

    According to Jouas, it would take days to months for the necessary U.S. reinforcements, supplies and equipment to reach the Korean Peninsula. Once the troops finally arrive, Jouas added, "they may well find their bases subject to attack by conventional or chemical weapons, which will further delay their entry into the war."

    Jouas also highlighted the risk a conflict would pose to both South Korean and American civilians living in the region. He said it would take "days" to eliminate North Korean artillery, rockets and missiles that threaten the South Korean capital of Seoul, which is home to 25 million people. Meanwhile, "an enormous casualty and evacuee crisis will develop and include over a hundred thousand non-combatant Americans, many of who will turn to U.S. forces to get them off the peninsula," Jouas added.

    He also warned that the protection of South Korean civilians and evacuation of U.S. civilians would be "significantly complicated" by the "expected use" of nuclear and chemical weapons by Kim Jong Un's regime.

    Finally, Jouas emphasized any military action against North Korea by the U.S., "no matter how limited," would likely spark a full-scale war and be unlikely to "completely eliminate North Koreas nuclear capabilities."

    Jouas's letter comes not long after the Pentagon said a ground invasion of North Korea would be necessary in order to eliminate its nuclear arsenal. This assertion was prompted by a request from Lieu and Gallego directed at Defense Secretary James Mattis for a detailed report on what a conflict with Kim's regime would look like.

    Lieu, who served in the U.S. Air Force and was at one point stationed in Guam, told Newsweek what really "jumped out" to him about the letter was how clear it outlines the logistical issues the U.S. military faces in terms of dealing with North Korea. Unlike conflicts in the Middle East, the U.S. "can't just send over troops and equipment right now because that would provoke a North Korean attack," Lieu said. "It would take many days to get rid of North Koreas artillery and all their other weapons. In the meantime, a lot of people are going to die."

    The California congressman also noted that although the U.S. has an extremely advanced military and "the best air force in the world," its advantage in this regard would essentially be eliminated once "North Korea sends their massive army down to population centers in South Korea." Seoul is just 35 miles from the demilitarized zone that separates North and South Korea. If the North Korean military broke through and reached the capital, U.S. and South Korean troops would likely find themselves overwhelmed and without air support.

    The Pentagon has not given specifics on how many casualties might result from a war between the U.S. and North Korea, but a recent assessment from the Congressional Research Service estimated as many as 300,000 could die in the first few days of fighting, even without the use of nukes. Experts have also warned a U.S. ground invasion could turn "very bloody, very quickly."

    As Kim's regime has refused to step away from its nuclear program and ramped up its long-range missile tests, Trump has issued a number of bombastic threats toward the reclusive nation. In late September, for example, the president warned North Korea it would be met with "total destruction" if the U.S. was forced to defend itself or its allies. Some have accused Trump of deliberately pushing the U.S. toward war.

    During a trip to Asia in early November, Trump softened his tone and adopted a somewhat more diplomatic approach, calling for North Korea to "come to the table" and find a peaceful settlement to the two countries' differences. Pyongyang, however, responded by stating it's heard enough from "mad dog" Trump and is seemingly disinterested in negotiating.

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    gee I wonder who is better armed.

    WTF is this a recruiting tool?
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    Just reinstate the draft, set the age at 16 and lets send everyones children tbqh

    Lets see how far that US warmongering goes after that
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    I can read the headlines the day after what I said gets proposed:

    "Deal struck with north korea"

    "Mr Kim Kong is a fine fine man. We will get along very well" -donald trump

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    http://www.newsweek.com/if-war-north...mmander-707212
    U.S. COULD LOSE IN A WAR AGAINST NORTH KOREA'S MASSIVE ARMY, FORMER PENTAGON COMMANDER WARNS
    BY JOHN HALTIWANGER ON 11/9/17 AT 5:25 PM

    If a conflict between North Korea and the United States suddenly broke out, U.S. troops in South Korea would be "outnumbered" and undersupplied, warns Lt. Gen. Jan-Marc Jouas, the former deputy commander of U.S. Forces in Korea.

    "The 28,500 U.S. Armed Forces personnel in South Korea are vastly outnumbered by North Korean forces, as well as [South Korean] forces that will conduct the overwhelming majority of the fighting. Unlike every conflict since the last Korean War, we will not be able to build up our forces prior to the start of hostilities," Jouas wrote in a November 7 letter obtained by Newsweek to several Democratic members of Congress. It's estimated North Korea has roughly 1.2 million troops.

    Jouas's letter is addressed to Representatives Ted Lieu and Ruben Gallego and Senator Tammy Duckworth, all veterans of the U.S. military who've recently expressed grave concern over President Donald Trump's rhetoric and stance toward North Korea.

    From January 2012 to December 2014, Jouas was intimately involved in formulating plans to counter a North Korean attack on South Korea. "This threat was the most dangerous Id faced since the end of the Cold War, and planning for it the most challenging problem Id encountered in my 35-year career," he said.

    According to Jouas, it would take days to months for the necessary U.S. reinforcements, supplies and equipment to reach the Korean Peninsula. Once the troops finally arrive, Jouas added, "they may well find their bases subject to attack by conventional or chemical weapons, which will further delay their entry into the war."

    Jouas also highlighted the risk a conflict would pose to both South Korean and American civilians living in the region. He said it would take "days" to eliminate North Korean artillery, rockets and missiles that threaten the South Korean capital of Seoul, which is home to 25 million people. Meanwhile, "an enormous casualty and evacuee crisis will develop and include over a hundred thousand non-combatant Americans, many of who will turn to U.S. forces to get them off the peninsula," Jouas added.

    He also warned that the protection of South Korean civilians and evacuation of U.S. civilians would be "significantly complicated" by the "expected use" of nuclear and chemical weapons by Kim Jong Un's regime.

    Finally, Jouas emphasized any military action against North Korea by the U.S., "no matter how limited," would likely spark a full-scale war and be unlikely to "completely eliminate North Koreas nuclear capabilities."

    Jouas's letter comes not long after the Pentagon said a ground invasion of North Korea would be necessary in order to eliminate its nuclear arsenal. This assertion was prompted by a request from Lieu and Gallego directed at Defense Secretary James Mattis for a detailed report on what a conflict with Kim's regime would look like.

    Lieu, who served in the U.S. Air Force and was at one point stationed in Guam, told Newsweek what really "jumped out" to him about the letter was how clear it outlines the logistical issues the U.S. military faces in terms of dealing with North Korea. Unlike conflicts in the Middle East, the U.S. "can't just send over troops and equipment right now because that would provoke a North Korean attack," Lieu said. "It would take many days to get rid of North Koreas artillery and all their other weapons. In the meantime, a lot of people are going to die."

    The California congressman also noted that although the U.S. has an extremely advanced military and "the best air force in the world," its advantage in this regard would essentially be eliminated once "North Korea sends their massive army down to population centers in South Korea." Seoul is just 35 miles from the demilitarized zone that separates North and South Korea. If the North Korean military broke through and reached the capital, U.S. and South Korean troops would likely find themselves overwhelmed and without air support.

    The Pentagon has not given specifics on how many casualties might result from a war between the U.S. and North Korea, but a recent assessment from the Congressional Research Service estimated as many as 300,000 could die in the first few days of fighting, even without the use of nukes. Experts have also warned a U.S. ground invasion could turn "very bloody, very quickly."

    As Kim's regime has refused to step away from its nuclear program and ramped up its long-range missile tests, Trump has issued a number of bombastic threats toward the reclusive nation. In late September, for example, the president warned North Korea it would be met with "total destruction" if the U.S. was forced to defend itself or its allies. Some have accused Trump of deliberately pushing the U.S. toward war.

    During a trip to Asia in early November, Trump softened his tone and adopted a somewhat more diplomatic approach, calling for North Korea to "come to the table" and find a peaceful settlement to the two countries' differences. Pyongyang, however, responded by stating it's heard enough from "mad dog" Trump and is seemingly disinterested in negotiating.
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1320.html

    Had an interesting conversation with a defense analyst this weekend about how long it would take to deploy a combat brigade to theater in Europe. She outlined some rather disturbing, if obvious shortfalls, in preparedness.

    Four days, just to do the paperwork. Four days.

    The ending result was: 144 days, when the desired standard was: Four days.

    M1 Abrams tank has 8 fire extinguisher tanks. You can only get them prepped 7 at a time, meaning you need two cycles for every tank, a two day process. That is just the fire extinguisher system. the A/C system also has to be prepped. Too many electronics for the vehicle to be functional without them.

    It was an interesting conversation. (all unclassified, her product and sources were all open source, btw)
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    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1320.html

    Had an interesting conversation with a defense analyst this weekend about how long it would take to deploy a combat brigade to theater in Europe. She outlined some rather disturbing, if obvious shortfalls, in preparedness.

    Four days, just to do the paperwork. Four days.

    The ending result was: 144 days, when the desired standard was: Four days.

    M1 Abrams tank has 8 fire extinguisher tanks. You can only get them prepped 7 at a time, meaning you need two cycles for every tank, a two day process. That is just the fire extinguisher system. the A/C system also has to be prepped. Too many electronics for the vehicle to be functional without them.

    It was an interesting conversation. (all unclassified, her product and sources were all open source, btw)


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    Um, whut is funny? I am genuinely confused here.
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    This guy really is full of himself trying to subtle brag. I know defense analysts! His military knowledge is pretty shit-tier from what I’ve seen.

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    I think its pretty obvious that in a full scale resumption of hostilities that fuck ton of artillery is going to be a bear to deal with and soften up the DMZ pretty good. If all 1 million north korean soldiers are activated and with the small size of that peninsula there is literally no way they wont be on the doorsteps of our bases in days. Then what when they have the entire country or at least Seoul held hostage?

    Always remember that in war, manpower and resources are always more important than technological advantage. Many times these advantages can be countered very cheaply and efficiently, like aircraft carriers. China and Russia both simply have developed torpedoes which we have no answers to. Multi-billion dollar targets. Pretty sure Kim could even target and saturate them with short range missiles. I guess we will see whos side China is really on as they wont be able to sustain the war without their raw materials.

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    This guy really is full of himself trying to subtle brag. I know defense analysts! His military knowledge is pretty shit-tier from what I’ve seen.


    It was probably a military ANAL list

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    Um, whut is funny? I am genuinely confused here.
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    Random Cuck. The leftist loony toon cartoon characters on this site never cease to be a good source of amusement.

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    This guy really is full of himself trying to subtle brag. I know defense analysts! His military knowledge is pretty shit-tier from what I’ve seen.
    Still not getting it.

    I met her in Houston, we were assigned the same team for a house muck out, as part of a veterans group. The ride out from the FOB was about 40 minutes, so there was time to jabber, and the stuff she did was really interesting.

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    Random Cuck. The leftist loony toon cartoon characters on this site never cease to be a good source of amusement.
    Ah. You think I am an idiot because I am not a conservative.

    That much I get, and it marks you as either a troll, or not nearly as smart as you think you are. Per par for the right wing in this country.

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