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    its pretty clear that they're accelerating during the curve, throughout the whole curve. that is longer than the 0-50. it's equally clear you dont really know what acceleration/velocity mean
    So you really think sprinters can accelerate from a start to the head of a 200m curve, right?
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    Going from jogging to sprinting has to be explained, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Substitute "try to and accomplish maintaining the same speed" dumbass, if you must to understand it.

    Either you are trying to avoid being embarrassed, really stupid, or both.
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    For the 200?

    Look at the table and you can figure it out on your own. That's why I gave it to you dumbshit.
    Dude, you don't watch my videros I don't look at yoiur charts, ok?

    Dude, at what point do sprinters hit that max veloicity in a 200m, well?

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    And I'm out for tonight.
    If will revisit this stubborn stupidity tomorrow.

    Maybe by that time you will have it and we can go further into the more interesting part the table shows.

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    Substitute "try to and accomplish maintaining the same speed" dumbass, if you must to understand it.

    Either you are trying to avoid being embarrassed, really stupid, or both.
    Smacking a dumbass like you around is enbarrashing, hahaha~~~~ Dude, do you know anything at all about actual sprinting? You look like some retard.

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    And I'm out for tonight.
    If will revisit this stubborn stupidity tomorrow.

    Maybe by that time you will have it and we can go further into the more interesting part the table shows.
    I talk actual sprinting stupid, ok? Tables hahahaha~~~~~~~~~

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    Anyone thinking any sprinter is accelerating coming off a 200m curve is a moron.

    Pay attention rookies.

    World class sprinters can only run all out about 70m, ok? Now in that first 70 we have reaction to the gun/start, ok? Now here comes....acceleration.....ya with me? That only lasts 50ish meters, then a few meters of transiting into...max velocity, topend....OK? That lasts 20ish meters give or take, ok? The last stage of a 100 is.....decelleration, OK? Other than "speed reserve" it's pretty much the same st 200m, obviously at that distance the start/acceleration not as important.

    NOBODY...NOBODY....is accelerating coming off a 200m curve, and if ya know sprinting ya know this.

    Never seen so many rookies in one place before, sheesh~~~~~~~~

    Those who really know sprinting talk about this....

    The purpose of speed endurance is to prolong the amount of time where a near maximal speed can be maintained.


    That is sprinting, that ability to sustain/maintain maximal velocity. All great sprinters are loaded down with speed endurance.

    Sprinting
    Acceleration Phase

    Once the sprinter takes off from the blocks, they begin to accelerate by increasing stride length and stride frequency. The length of this phase can be anywhere from 30 to 50 meters among top sprinters during a 100-meter race. During acceleration, the time in which the foot is in contact with the ground is relatively long in order to generate high levels of force, but decreases as the sprinter achieves maximum running speed.
    Constant Speed Phase

    The constant speed phase can be submaximal, maximal or supramaximal and is characterized by both the stride length and stride frequency remaining the same over a period of time. This phase is generally achieved between the 60 to 80 meter mark in men and 50 to 70 meter mark in women. In principle, the top sprinters can sustain this phase over a distance of 10 to 20 meters. The difference between elite and sub-elite sprinters is the frequency of stride, demonstrating that it is more important than the length of the stride.
    Deceleration Phase

    The last phase is categorized by a decrease in sprinting speed, usually occurring between the 80 and 100-meter mark in top sprinters. Velocity begins to decrease on a scale of .5 to 1.5 meters per second and is caused by central and peripheral fatigue. The decrease in speed is mainly caused by a decrease in stride frequency, as stride length and ground contact time is increased when compared to the third sprinting phase

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    Nobody is still accelerating coming off a 200m curve, ok rookies?
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    here's the kicker, avante

    if you are walking in a circular path at a constant speed, you are accelerating the entire time

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    here's the kicker, avante

    if you are walking in a circular path at a constant speed, you are accelerating the entire time
    So there is no difference in sprinting?

    How far can a human sprint at max velocity?

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    So there is no difference in sprinting?
    you could be accelerating at a faster rate... but even if you are walking at a constant speed of 1 mile per hour in a circular path, you are accelerating

    this is because velocity refers to how fast you are moving in a given direction

    so if you are changing direction, you are changing velocity. this is why when running on a semi-circle (like they do in the 200m), they are accelerating around the entire curve. if you are curving towards your left, you must put a lot more force/weight on your outside (right) foot

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    you could be accelerating at a faster rate... but even if you are walking at a constant speed of 1 mile per hour in a circular path, you are accelerating

    this is because velocity refers to how fast you are moving in a given direction

    so if you are changing direction, you are changing velocity. this is why when running on a semi-circle (like they do in the 200m), they are accelerating around the entire curve. if you are curving towards your left, you must put a lot more force/weight on your outside (right) foot
    In sprinting that word....accelerate....means a sprinter is gaining speed up and into his max speed, his topend speed, that max velocity. Everyone in sprinting knows you can only accelerate so long before that transitiion to MV. Trying to sell....accelerating to the top of a 200m curve will not work no many how ya try to explain it, it simply does not happen, IF.....we use... acceleration.... like we all do in sprinting.

    Nobody into sprinting is going to buy sprinters are accelerating around a 200m curve, trust me, they know better.

    What about this don't you understand?

    Acceleration Phase

    Once the sprinter takes off from the blocks, they begin to accelerate by increasing stride length and stride frequency. The length of this phase can be anywhere from********* 30 to 50 meters********** among top sprinters during a 100-meter race. During acceleration, the time in which the foot is in contact with the ground is relatively long in order to generate high levels of force, but decreases as the sprinter achieves maximum running speed.

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    Do you really think sprinters are capable of accelerating further than 50ish meters? You are confusing the final stages of that acceleration phase into the transition phase into the topend stage. Dude, if sprinters were still accelerating coming off the curve you are saying they don't reach max velocity unil around.....hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~

    Pay attention

    The key to sprint speed is the horizontal force the sprinter can generate. When that force is equal to drag on the runner, the runner cannot achieve a faster time. The force out of the blocks is often larger, as pushing against the blocks is more efficient than pushing against a flat surface. As a result, a sprinter can rapidly approach their top speed very shortly after a good start. The UNAM group has extracted some of these factors for Usain Bolt's 2009 IAAF record-setting run, based on times and locations every tenth of a second (supplied by the IAAF.)


    First, Bolt comes out of the blocks with an acceleration of nearly one g. This is driven by a force of 817 N (184 lb). This isn't terribly surprising, as the legs are used to operating under a load of one g – it is simply a matter of training the muscles to work fully for horizontal propulsion. What is more surprising is that the UNAM analysis shows that Bolt is able to maintain that level of force for horizontal motion for the entire 100-meter event.



    Maintaining a constant force implies that Bolt, at some point, will slowly approach a maximum speed.**** His acceleration falls essentially to zero between four and five seconds from the start of the race, and he maintains a speed of some 12.2 m/s (27.3 mph) throughout the remainder of the race.*************

    Dude, sprinters don't accelerate no 10 seconds ok, get off that stupid shit, ok? This is sprinting dude, in sprinting the word ...accelerate....isn't about walking in fucking circles, ok?
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    lol, i dont care if you "buy" it

    acceleration is acceleration. that doesn't change because you disagree with it

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    lol, i dont care if you "buy" it

    acceleration is acceleration. that doesn't change because you disagree with it
    So according to your definition a sprinter can accelerate 100m. Dude, you really don't know how stupid that is do you?

    So tell me when does a sprinter reach their topend speed in a 200m?

    Dude, when talking football, terms like....bomb...sack...horsecollar...blitz....take on a different meaning. Acceleration in sprinting ....isn't the same as walking in circles, ok?
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    So according to your definition a sprinter can accelerate 100m. Dude, you really don't know how stupid that is do you?

    So tell me when does a sprinter reach their topend speed in a 200m?

    Dude, when talking football, terms like....bomb...sack...horsecollar...blitz....take on a different meaning. Acceleration in sprinting ....isn't the same as walking in circles, ok?
    you can accelerate without sprinting

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    you can accelerate without sprinting
    I had a feeling you had no idea what was going on here.

    Dude, but we are talking sprinting here, ok? In that world the word........accelerate....is teling us the phase a sprinter is in, ya with me amigo? No sprinter can..........accelerate....the curve of a 200m, ok? That's 100m, so....impossible..ok?

    Dude, pay attention.

    Humans can only run all out for about 20m 25ish m, ok? So they go thru...phases..alright rookie?

    Sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~

    When do sprinters reach their topend speed in a 200, well?

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    I had a feeling you had no idea what was going on here.

    Dude, but we are talking sprinting here, ok? In that world the word........accelerate....is teling us the phase a sprinter is in, ya with me amigo? No sprinter can..........accelerate....the curve of a 200m, ok? That's 100m, so....impossible..ok?

    Dude, pay attention.

    Humans can only run all out for about 20m 25ish m, ok? So they go thru...phases..alright rookie?

    Sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~

    When do sprinters reach their topend speed in a 200, well?

    Dude, The Beatles...really weren't little insects, honest
    as long as you realize that top end speed is different than top end velocity

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    as long as you realize that top end speed is different than top end velocity
    Dude, the fact you know nothing about sprinting is screaming right now,ok? In the sprint world we have....MAX VELOCITY....or MV, ok? It's the exact same thing as topend speed, ok?

    Dude, how far can a sprinter accelerate...answer the question, ok? If you think sprinters come off a 200m curve accelerating, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~

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    MAX VELOCITY....or MV, ok? It's the exact same thing as topend speed, ok?

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    Maximum Velocity

    Track athletes want to know how to run faster times and how to increase their maximum velocity. They know that if they increase their running speed, they can edge out their competition in the sprint events with faster times and could prove to be a great asset to their teammates in the relays as well.
    In the sprint events,******** top speed is also known as maximum velocity********. This refers to is the highest possible sprint speed you can achieve, but only for a short period of time before mechanical deceleration and fatigue slow you down. In order to maximize the potential of your top-end race velocity, you’ll need to have a well-executed acceleration out of the starting blocks. If your acceleration phase is too short, it can cause unnecessary deceleration in your sprint rac

    *******************************

    Dude, why talk about things you obviously know.,...0....about? Dude, this is the sprint world, ok?

    Have another one rookie.


    Today I want to talk to you about******* top speed training or maximum velocity training*********. Now, one thing I want to address before I even begin is the whole topic where a lot of people say is I coach whatever sport and my athlete don't need top speed training because I play soccer or football. We just burst for ten or twenty or thirty yards and so top speed training is not necessary for me. You know what, I'm not gonna necessarily and entirely disagree with that statement.
    There is some validity to that fact. The reality is there are going to be points where athletes break away or have a break away and they need to learn how to take that speed that they gained during their good acceleration that we covered yesterday and they need to be able to maintain that. At the same time we're trying to make kids better athletes so learning how to run at full speed and learning how to flow because when they're tired at the end of the game, they're gonna get up to full speed, ten, fifteen, twenty yards sometimes and maybe they'll need to know how to relax when running. We talk about top speed training and we talk about max velocity training athletes need to learn how to float as we call it. Floating is a difficult skill to learn. You're gonna drill the proper way to float or the key ways of floating in your kids heads and they're gonna look at you and nod their head but they're not gonna do it because their brain always keeps telling them try harder, run faster, try harder. The reality is when it comes to floating and comes to that, you can only hold top speed. Once you accelerate properly. ******* You can only hold top speed for one to two seconds maximum.******************

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    So trying to peddle...accelerate a 200m curve.....hahahaha~~~~~~~ Dummy, they were done accelerating around 50ish then they transitioned into topend, ok rookie? Don't tell me sprinters aren;'t reaching MV until after 100m......hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So what are we really seeing in that final 100m of a 200m, well?
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    Yep, play a little shuck n jive then once out in deep water drown these know nothings, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~

    When talking sprinting words like velocity, accelerate mean certain things, not unlike float like a butterfly, sting like a bee......if ya know the sport ya get it.

    In the sprint world the word accelerate is explaining the second phase of a sprint race, it's not about circles,semi bullshit and all that stupid shit our freak is throwing up. It means the second stage of a 100/200m sprint. Us humans can't sprint all out for very long (neither can a cheetah), and no way in hell anyone comes off a 200m curve accelerating, yep, retarded. See it's all done in phases because we can't run all out for very long.

    Usually sprinters are in what we call...the acceleration phase for about 50ishm, then they enter into another phase of the race. This is sprinting and it's not about walking in semi circles and all that stupid bullshit. NOBODY...can be at max velocity after around 70ish m, now we enter into another phase.......see how it all works in concert.

    This is reality, and none of that stupid shit we saw the know nothings peddling.

    100 meter event,

    1) acceleration phase from 0 to 50 meter. Need more muscle power or all the muscle available rather than high power to muscle ratio
    2) no bend at all
    3) to maintain speed at 12 m/s from 50 to 100 meter. Need high power to muscle ratio

    200 meter event,

    1) acceleration phase from 0 to 50 meter&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& &&
    2) slight bend unless the in the most inside lane which has longer and sharper bend
    3) 50 to 200 meter is about maintaining speed at 12 m/s. Need high power to muscle ratio.
    4) You need more speed endurance for 200 meter run. You have to tolerate lactic acid.

    Tonight we saw a dummy talking about accelerating the 200m curve, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nobody in history can accelerate that long before hitting the transition phase. Keep in mind in the sprint world acceleration is describing one phase of sprinting.

    But Avante, ya can accelerate while walking in a semi circle and......hahahahahaha~~~~~~~ Fucking idiot. WE ARE TALKING SPRINTING NOT WALKING.

    Done with this stupidity.
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    So the interesting part is an athlete must use more energy while rounding the turn than running at the same speed in a straight line. When an athlete rounds a turn extra force must be applied inward towards the center of the circular path. It is MORE difficult to run a 200 m dash on a track than a straight 200 m. Something you never even thought about, Mr. Track guy. The turn, is very important. You must accelerate therefore the overall force you apply is inward.

    I first learned this from, get this, a track coach! But you had a football coach that did not have expertise in track. And you stopped in HS.

    Now it gets more interesting.

    Which lane do you want if you don't want to exert more effort? Which lane requires the most inward force in order change direction (as you must on any turn)? Pick a lane Avante. And it's very obvious that some lanes help psychologically, we are talking physical effort here. Then comes a conondrum even more interesting.

    Off to work. I shall return. Maybe I should go back through all the posts and point out all the places I gave you hints, because you said:

    My knowledge comes from my interest in the things I talk about. Who doesn;'t bone up on what they care about? still subscribe to Track & Field News (since 66). I can answer questions NOBODY...comes remotely close to answering them. First off nobody will ever take the time needed, second off I'd ask in a way that you'd just have to know like I do.

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    Google Boy/Almanac getting his ass handed to him.

    He's skirting around on another thread where he likewise won't own up.

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    So the interesting part is an athlete must use more energy while rounding the turn than running at the same speed in a straight line. When an athlete rounds a turn extra force must be applied inward towards the center of the circular path. It is MORE difficult to run a 200 m dash on a track than a straight 200 m. Something you never even thought about, Mr. Track guy. The turn, is very important. You must accelerate therefore the overall force you apply is inward.

    I first learned this from, get this, a track coach! But you had a football coach that did not have expertise in track. And you stopped in HS.

    Now it gets more interesting.

    Which lane do you want if you don't want to exert more effort? Which lane requires the most inward force in order change direction (as you must on any turn)? Pick a lane Avante. And it's very obvious that some lanes help psychologically, we are talking physical effort here. Then comes a conondrum even more interesting.

    Off to work. I shall return. Maybe I should go back through all the posts and point out all the places I gave you hints, because you said:

    My knowledge comes from my interest in the things I talk about. Who doesn;'t bone up on what they care about? still subscribe to Track & Field News (since 66). I can answer questions NOBODY...comes remotely close to answering them. First off nobody will ever take the time needed, second off I'd ask in a way that you'd just have to know like I do.
    Dude, there is a reason the great Tommie Smith ran a 19.5 WR on a straight and a 19.8 on the curve, EVERYBODY knows the curve is a hell of alot more taxing than a straight ya dumb fuck. You actually think this is news, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Stupid, NODODY can stay in the acceleration phsae of any sprint for too long before transitioning into that topend, ok guy? Stop talking stupid.

    Dude, that's it, when you start telling former sprinters a curve is more taxing than a straight it's time to move on, dude, you're sn idioit.

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    Google Boy/Almanac getting his ass handed to him.

    He's skirting around on another thread where he likewise won't own up.

    Subject? Yep, women.
    WHAT?????????

    Dude, so you don't understand sprinting either do ya? PHASES...ok? Reaction to the gun, block clearence, acceleration, transition to topend, maintain max velocity, decelleration, ok stupid? To read all that stupid crap, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~

    Dummy, no sprinter can hold their topend speed for more than 6/8ish seconds, now think just a little bit, ok? So what do they do to manage a 100m sprint......................PHASES.

    And, how do 4x1 realy teams sort out who runs what leg, now think.

    Ok, this is just too stupid to continue with.

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    Dude, there is a reason the great Tommie Smith ran a 19.5 WR on a straight and a 19.8 on the curve, EVERYBODY knows the curve is a hell of alot more taxing than a straight ya dumb fuck. You actually think this is news, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Stupid, NODODY can stay in the acceleration phsae of any sprint for too long before transitioning into that topend, ok guy? Stop talking stupid.

    Dude, that's it, when you start telling former sprinters a curve is more taxing than a straight it's time to move on, dude, you're sn idioit.
    It took you this long to say everyone knows this? We went through how many pages...
    BECAUSE YOU DID NOT REALIZE RUNNING A TURN REQUIRES ACCELERATION.

    You were stuck on a straight line path for 4 fooking pages ya stupid jerk. I gave you post after post of hints. You are unbelievably dull but still have a chance to redeem some of your exposure as a fool.


    Now we continue with the exposure. You did not understand acceleration. Let's now go one step further.

    Which lane requires the most acceleration and why? This is very easy. Then use the table to figure out the acceleration required. We will make it easy and assume the runner is using effort to hold a constant SPEED of 10 m/s. Notice this did not say velocity.


    But it will lead us into a much more interesting conundrum if you do answer it. And do remember you said:

    My knowledge comes from my interest in the things I talk about. Who doesn;'t bone up on what they care about? still subscribe to Track & Field News (since 66). I can answer questions NOBODY...comes remotely close to answering them.

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    Dude, the fact you know nothing about sprinting is screaming right now,ok? In the sprint world we have....MAX VELOCITY....or MV, ok?
    You also need to understand something else. When you look up something on the internet it can be dead wrong.

    Mv MV mv

    That is an absolutely horrible acronym.
    It means momentum.
    You have so much to learn and you will because...

    Avante said:
    My knowledge comes from my interest in the things I talk about. Who doesn;'t bone up on what they care about? still subscribe to Track & Field News (since 66). I can answer questions NOBODY...comes remotely close to answering them. First off nobody will ever take the time needed, second off I'd ask in a way that you'd just have to know like I do.

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    Pick a lane dork.

    Explain your reasoning from a physical advantage.

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    Bow to your master Avante.

    A deep back breaking bow would suffice.

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