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How many feet underground does your front door go? Do you close it?
I don't think it's worth a government shutdown, but with polls like that how could the Democrats not try to force the GOP's hand on DACA?
Helping people here, and allowing others into the country are not mutually exclusive. It isn't either/or. Your calf tats are a good example. You can have tats on both calves, not just one.Too good an analogy to pass up.
You "staunch conservatives" are such elitists
90% of Americans want amnesty by the same people who brought you the “Hillary 51 trump 38” polls. CACA is extremely unpopular no matter what they try to shill. USA Today ran an article yesterday saying the real number of dreamers is 3.6 million. That’s not including the children of those 3.6 million who are legal citizens. Illegal immigration has brought in millions and millions of people and upset our demographics. And every time the numbers get bigger, more people come, nothing is done and then we need a bigger amnesty before you know it. Might as well just have an unlimited immigration policy, as long as you’ve never killed anyone or belong to a terrorist organization just come on in. We could be the most populated country on earth bigger than China. Either declare us not a country but rather a giant Walmart where people come to work and spend or enforce the law. Wasting money on a freak show fake enforcement is stupid.
Your narrative is that illegals will simply tunnel. Ok, but they won't walk freely across and tunnels can be controlled more easily than thousands of miles of open range. Criminals can simply break your window but you still lock your door because a barrier is better than no barrier.
I don't think the wall will produce the intended outcome. If anything it will create a worse situation along the border where class dichotomy is falsely sustained by a divider. The people coming across, by and large, aren't bad people but there needs to be a legit way to do ent these folks. If I was born in Mexico I'd be walking to the US as well, so I don't blame them. The Mexican government is ty, only US criminals sneak over to Mexico but legit people in desperation sneak into to the US. We just need to create a system where we can work with Mexico so they don't need to come here. I don't see that happening. Maybe we should conquer Mexico and call it Amazonia, let Jeff Bezos preside.
The wall just needs to have wind turbines all down it. That would mean it eventually pays for itself, creates jobs and makes a of a noise.
Why run the risk. Easier and safer to simply overstay a visa. Many, if not most undo ented immigrants go this route. Walls won't stop that, nor will a line of border agents.
http://www.trutv.com/shows/adam-ruin...migration.html
The White House Is Ludicrously Blaming Obama For Trump’s Government Shutdown
OMB Director Mick Mulvaney claimed that Obama weaponized government shutdowns, which was an indirect way of blaming Obama for Trump’s refusal to cut a deal on DACA, which will shut down down the government.
Mulvaney said,
“We want to make folks understand that it will look very different than it did under the previous administration.
One thing I’ve learned since I’ve been in this office is that there is no other way to describe it, but
the Obama administration weaponized the shutdown in 2013.
What they didn’t tell you was that they did not encourage agencies to use carry forward funds, carry forward funds, funds they were sitting on, nor did they encourage agencies to use transfer authority, that they could have made the shutdown in 2013 much less impactful, but
they chose to make it worse, the only conclusion I can draw is they did for political purposes.”
The last government shutdown wasn’t caused by Obama.
That government shutdown was caused by Republicans in the House and Senate refusing to fund the government unless Obamacare was repealed.
http://www.politicususa.com/2018/01/...iticus+USA+%29
btw, Mulvaney has taken $600K from payday loan sharks, now ...
Mulvaney requests zero funding for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cfpb-mulvaney-funding-20180118-story.html
It doesn't cost billions to lock my door.
I'm not an engineer but I can't see it taking an extensive tunneling effort to get under 6 feet deep of wall
"polls were wrong once, so they are wrong now, because I don't like what the polls show".
Immigration is pretty much always good for the receiving country in the long run. People are assets, albeit mobile ones.
Holy . That's not going to work. Do they know how long the border is???
i think i averaged 5-6 sentences, run on and all... i thought your meltdownmeter was set at 11-12 sentences? fake news?
helping people... lmao! let their country help them. we have plenty here who need help and aren't illegal.
you far lefty's are so delusional and ed in the head. it truly is a mental disease.
well that’s one persons dumb opinion. Shocking to see that a far leftist is pro immigration."polls were wrong once, so they are wrong now, because I don't like what the polls show".
Immigration is pretty much always good for the receiving country in the long run. People are assets, albeit mobile ones.
You're so dense
can't argue with "people are assets". i mean, isn't that the left's claim to fame when it comes to the voting polls?
his couch used to be too until he wore those cushions out.You're so dense
Built with American steel paid for by Mexicans.
You're so denseBuilt with American steel paid for by Mexicans.
Nope, many are DRAINS."polls were wrong once, so they are wrong now, because I don't like what the polls show".
Immigration is pretty much always good for the receiving country in the long run. People are assets, albeit mobile ones.
Figure 1. Immigrant-headed households had substantially higher welfare use rates than native households for most types of programs in 2012.
Any Welfare: Native 30% Immigrants 51%
Medicaid: Native 23% Immigrants 42%
Food: Native 22% Immigrants 40%
Cash Welfare: Native 10% Immigrants 12%
Housing: Native 6% Immigrants 6%
https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-I...ive-Households
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There's do entation that visas exist. We just have to track that down. You cannot track down do entation on people who snuck in.
Concerning illegal immigrants it's "always good" for the business owner who can pay them under the table. Truly an "asset." Then you have the argument that no one else wants to do those jobs. I don't trust the numbers behind polls, but the stats behind immigrants being a net drain on the economy as a whole is not really up for debate imo."polls were wrong once, so they are wrong now, because I don't like what the polls show".
Immigration is pretty much always good for the receiving country in the long run. People are assets, albeit mobile ones.
im sure he will come back with some leftist linked study that shows the opposite but yeah you’re right. How any immigrant is illegible for any form of welfare at all is baffling to me. If you’re going to let people in, common sense would dictate that they should be able to immediately contribute without any assistance.
He's welcome to post any study he can find that shows that immigrants use welfare at a lower rate than natives - not that they should be using ANY welfare at all - they should be CONTRIBUTING - not being a DRAIN. So far, nothing - but he's keeps posting that they are "assets" and "always good for the receiving country."
Figure 6. Welfare use is high both for new arrivals and well-established immigrants
Any Welfare
Native 30%
Immigrants
< 5 years in the US - about 50%
5 to 10 years - about 51%
11 to 15 years - about 54%
16 to 21 years - about 56%
> 21 years - about 47%
Sorry, it's a bar chart so I'm estimating.
https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-I...ive-Households
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