**** 2018 Avante Football Thread ****

[UNT Eagles 2016]

We were talking about video game Barry Sanders. So, curious, what defense do you use to contain him, or any team built around a dominant running back in general?

I tend to use a lot of base defense cover 2/3, but I still often get killed with the outside east-west run and if I don't pinch my d-linemen I get gashed up the gut.

My D-line is pretty good... 95+ overall versions of F. Cox, B. Graham and D. Lawrence... linebackers are M. Kendricks, J. Hicks and N. Bradham. So what do?

[Avante]

First off, thank you and I owe ya one. THANKS~~~

I always use a goal line defense with my one controlled player the safety. I wait until I see how the play is developing before making my move. Took me awhile to get this. I started playing these games in the mid 90's so by now I pretty much have it all figured it. Yep, need a new system with a different game.

Rod Woodson is even more amazing than Sanders in Tecmo III, an ordinary game for him is two KO returns to score, an INTto score, three sacks and numerous tackles. While he was good he wasn't this good.

Has anyone ever ran back a punt to score in Tecmo I, I don't think it can be done.

As a kid I spent hours and hour playing electric football all by myself. I got to where I knew every player personally, what they could and couldn't do, yep, I had my speedsters, that cat who went around and round, the slowpokes. Yep, ya set all 22 players up...buzzzzzzzzz...set all 22 playes up...buzzzzzzz, set all......loved it. , my kickers could kick all the way from the kitchen table into the front room, ha~~~~~~~ I 'd roll the dice for passing, an even number was complete, odd incomplete, boxcars...INT.


I did make my own game, a roll the dice game but without any real action, yep...sucked.

[Avante]

This was the NFL when I first got into it.

Western Conference

San Francico 49ers
Los Angeles Rams
Detroit Lions
Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers
Baltimore Colts

Eastern Conference

New York Giants
Cleveland Browns
Philadelphia Eagles
Pittsburg Steelers
Washington Redskins
Chicago Cardinals

In 1960 the Dallas Cowboys came into existence, would ya believe they were in the Western Conference? That only lasted a couple seasons.The Vikings showed up in 1961.

Obviously Jim Brown the big star.

The AFL came into existence in 1960, it looked like this.

Western Conference

Los Angeles Chargers
Dallas Texans
Denver Broncos
Oakland Raiders (real close to being called The Senors)

Eastern Conference

New York ans
Boston Patriots
Houston Oilers
Buffalo Bills

Their first "star" was a shifty, speedy RB out of North Texas State named Abner Haynes, a Texan (soon to be Chief)

Way back in the day we did have the Kansas City Cowboys in the NFL.

Gotta love the Tonawanda Kandex who played in 1921, they went 0-1 then..poof~~~~~~

You guys can't imagine the excitement of having the AFL vs NFL, think if we had two leagues today.

[Avante]

Time to drop the conferences thing and go with seedings, yep, March Madness.

To limit the big game to you can only face half the league in the biggie....why?

All this time and no Steelers vs Raiders, Cowboys vs Niners, Pats vs Colts in a SB, that is broke and needs fixing.

[Darth_Pelican]

[Avante]

Poor little guy, so damn immature. No wonder he's a Saints fan.

[Avante]

I like to do things differently, talk about things ya just don't see out there.

This will be the best all white offense if a team has one. Talking the skilled positions.

Chargers

QB...Philip Rivers
RB...Keith Lincoln
RB.. ie Post
WR..Lance Alworth
WR...Gary Garrison

Raiders

Kenny Stabler
Mark Van Eeghan
Marv Hubbard (both out of Colgate)
Fred Biletnikoff
Paul Skansi

Niners

Joe Montana
Hugh "King" McElhenny
Ken Willard
Dwight Clarke
Dave Parks

Packers

Aaron Rodgers
Jim Taylor
Paul Hornung
Jody Nelson
Don Hutson

Lions

Matthew Stafford
Nick Pietrasonte
Doak Walker
Yale Larry
Pat Studstill

Cards

Carson Palmer
John David Crow
Jim Otis
Bobby Joe Conrad
Sonny Randle

Oilers

George Blanda
Charlie Tolar
Hoyle Granger
Charley Hennigan
Bill Groman

Colts

Peyton Manning
Alan Ameche
Tom Matte
Ray Berry
Roger Carr

Eagles

Ron Jaworski
Steve Van Buren
Tom Woodeshick
Pete Pihos
Tommy McDonald

Bears

Sid Luckman
Red Grange
Bronko Nagurski
Harlan Hill
Johnny Morris

I know there are others.


There are 17 Hall of Famers up there.

[Avante]

The fastest white RB in history

http://trackfield.brinkster.net/Prof...&EventCode=MA0

Only white RB to ever hold the WR in the 100 yard dash.

LSU's Heisman winner Billy Cannon ran a 9.5

Army's "Mr. Outside" Glenn Davis ran a 9.6, he also won the Heisman. As did his running mate Joe Blanchard "Mr.Inside"

[Avante]

What team has had more players who made the HOF on it than my Niners?

While they didn't make their mark as Niners...

O.J.Simpson
Bob Hayes
Rod Woodson
John Henry Johnson
Deion Sanders
Randy Moss
Fred Dean
Ricky Jackson
Kevin Greene
Chris Doleman
Larry Allen
Richard Dent

Now add....

Y.A. tle
Joe Perry..........first black to have a 1000 yard season/first player to have consecutive 1000 seasons
Hugh McElhenny
Jim Johnson.....bro of Olympic great Rafer Johnson
Leo Nomellini.....pro rassler
Bob St. Clair
Dave Wilcox
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Charles Haley
Ronnie Lott
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens

Frank Gore will be there.

What team compares to that?

[Avante]

Let's take all the QB's who ever played in the NFL.

Now lets drop all but those who won a SB.

Now lets drop all those who only played in one.

Now lets drop all those who never had over a 110 QB rating.

Now drop all those who never led the NFL in TD passes.

Now lets drop all those who never missed a game in their career.

Now drop those with no NFL records.


So who is left standing.........Russell Wilson

[Avante]

FINALLY~~~~~~

This season the Seahawks will be lucky to go 8-8...but....look for Wilson to have by far his best season from an statiscal perspective. He will be in catch up games more than ever, so he will be passing more than ever.

He will start to put up the big numbers now, something he could have been doing all along if it had been needed.

[Avante]

Best kept secret in the NFL.




A former Cali State 100/200m champ. now a an.

[SpursforSix]

Best kept secret in the NFL.




A former Cali State 100/200m champ. now a an.

Gee...I wonder why they're keeping him under wraps.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Gee...I wonder why they're keeping him under wraps.

He's shorter than me and I'm short for a guy. But he can be an okay 3rd down back option I guess this year behind Henry (bell cow) and Fluellen (backup bell cow, not a pass catcher).

[SpursforSix]

He's shorter than me and I'm short for a guy. But he can be an okay 3rd down back option I guess this year behind Henry (bell cow) and Fluellen (backup bell cow, not a pass catcher).

175 pounds. He could get dieded.

[Avante]

He's shorter than me and I'm short for a guy. But he can be an okay 3rd down back option I guess this year behind Henry (bell cow) and Fluellen (backup bell cow, not a pass catcher).

This is one of those....get him out in space.....cats, like a Darren Sproles. He's the fastest RB in the NFL right now.





Javid Best Lions
Napolean Kaufman Raiders
Justin Fargas Raiders
Curtis Conway Bears

Also Cali State 100m Champs.

As was Nebraska's Riley Washington, who was faster than them all. He got in trouble and ended up in prison, so................

[UNT Eagles 2016]

This is one of those....get him out in space.....cats, like a Darren Sproles. He's the fastest RB in the NFL right now.





Javid Best Lions
Napolean Kaufman Raiders
Justin Fargas Raiders
Curtis Conway Bears

Also Cali State 100m Champs.

As was Nebraska's Riley Washington, who was faster than them all. He got in trouble and ended up in prison, so................

Sproles was never really known for his great speed, though. He was always quicker than fast and EXTREMELY elusive with his unique ballcarrier moves.

[Avante]

Sproles was never really known for his great speed, though. He was always quicker than fast and EXTREMELY elusive with his unique ballcarrier moves.

More about the size/production.

[Avante]

Watching two Georgia RB;s going in the first 34 picks got me thinking about dynamic RB duos.

How about...

Marcus Allen and Charles White USC
Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders Okla St
Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams Auburn
Darren McFadden and Felix Jones Arkansas
Franco Harris and Lydell Mitc Penn St

Obviously the classic Army duo of Glenn "Mr. Outside" Davis (legit 9.6 sprinter when the WR was 9.4) and Doc "Mr.Inside" Blanchard. both won the Heisman.

Just going with big names there, I get both backs weren't treated equal in all cases.

The best duo in pro football history...."The Galloping Ghost" Red Grange and Bronco Nagurski, both in the HOF

Jim Brown and Bobby Mitc had both cats averaging over 5 yards a carry. Mitc a Big10 sprint/hurdles champ. And, a HOF receiver as a Redskin.





Speaking of dynamic duos....


Steve Smith and Chad Johnson were on the same JC team (forgot which) but.......another cat was the star receiver (forgot who)

[SpursforSix]

Watching two Georgia RB;s going in the first 34 picks got me thinking about dynamic RB duos.

How about...

Marcus Allen and Charles White USC
Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders Okla St
Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams Auburn
Darren McFadden and Felix Jones Arkansas
Franco Harris and Lydell Mitc Penn St

Obviously the classic Army duo of Glenn "Mr. Outside" Davis (legit 9.6 sprinter when the WR was 9.4) and Doc "Mr.Inside" Blanchard. both won the Heisman.

Just going with big names there, I get both backs weren't treated equal in all cases.

The best duo in pro football history...."The Galloping Ghost" Red Grange and Bronco Nagurski, both in the HOF

Jim Brown and Bobby Mitc had both cats averaging over 5 yards a carry. Mitc a Big10 sprint/hurdles champ. And, a HOF receiver as a Redskin.





Speaking of dynamic duos....


Steve Smith and Chad Johnson were on the same JC team (forgot which) but.......another cat was the star receiver (forgot who)

How can you not mention the Pony Express?
Or Bush and White?

[Avante]

How can you not mention the Pony Express?
Or Bush and White?

I always miss a couple, knowing somebody will fix it. Not on purpose however.

Still not sure how erson ended up at SMU, he was a stud in HS.

That White/Bush combo, talk about a classic thunder and lightnin'. there it was.

Blount and James at Oregon another power/speed combo.

Some pro football combos that need mention.

Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung Packers....both in the HOF
Rick Casares/Willie Galimore...Bears
Keith Lincoln/Paul Lowe....Chargers
Hewritt Dixon/Clem Daneils...Raiders
Matt Snell/Emerson Boozer...Jets
Joe Perry/John Henry Johnson/Hugh McElhenny....all in the HOF Niners
Larry Csonka/Mercury Morris...Dolphins
Franco Harris/Rocky Bliear...Steelers
Kevin Mack/Ernest Byner...Browns
John Riggins/Joe Washington....Redskins

[SpursforSix]

I always miss a couple, knowing somebody will fix it. Not on purpose however.

Still not sure how erson ended up at SMU, he was a stud in HS.

That White/Bush combo, talk about a classic thunder and lightnin'. there it was.

Blount and James at Oregon another power/speed combo.

Some pro football combos that need mention.

Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung Packers....both in the HOF
Rick Casares/Willie Galimore...Bears
Keith Lincoln/Paul Lowe....Chargers
Hewritt Dixon/Clem Daneils...Raiders
Matt Snell/Emerson Boozer...Jets
Joe Perry/John Henry Johnson/Hugh McElhenny....all in the HOF Niners
Larry Csonka/Mercury Morris...Dolphins
Franco Harris/Rocky Bliear...Steelers
Kevin Mack/Ernest Byner...Browns
John Riggins/Joe Washington....Redskins

not sure how erson ended up at SMU? They paid well.
Check out the doc, Pony Excess.

[Avante]

not sure how erson ended up at SMU? They paid well.
Check out the doc, Pony Excess.

Dude, how can SMU pay more than.................

[Avante]

Think of all the stud players nobody here has ever heard of.

How about....

Elbert "Golden Wheels" Dubenion


Elbert Dubenion (born February 16, 1933), nicknamed "Duby" or "Golden Wheels", was an American football wide receiver. He played college football for Bluffton College (now Bluffton University) in northwest Ohio.
As a rookie for the American Football League's Buffalo Bills in 1960, DuBenion had seven touchdowns and 752 receiving yards on 42 catches, a 17.9 yd/catch average. He ran 16 times for 94 yards and a touchdown, a 5.6 yd/carry average. In 1961, facing tighter and deeper coverages, he upped his production as a runner, rushing for 173 yards and a touchdown on just 17 carries, a 10.3 yd/carry average. He had 31 catches for 461 yards and six touchdowns.
In 1964, Duby had one of the most sensational seasons of any receiver in pro football history, scoring 10 touchdowns among his 42 receptions for 1,139 yards, while collecting 27.1 yards per catch. In nine seasons, he totalled 296 receptions for 5,424 yards and 36 TDs for a career average of 18.3 yd/catch, and rushed for 360 yards and three touchdowns on 48 carries, a career average of seven yds/carry. When Wray Carlton was released by the Bills on September 2, 1968, it made Dubenion the last player from the Bills original roster in 1960 to still be with the club.^[1]
Dubenion ranks seventh all-time in the AFL in receptions and reception yardage. He holds the record for the longest reception in AFL playoff history, a 93-yd touchdown reception from quarterback Daryle Lamonica against the Boston Patriots in 1963. He is a 1993 inductee of the Greater Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame and his number 44 is officially in "reduced circulation," meaning although it is not officially retired, current players cannot wear the number out of deference to Dubenion.<sup>[2]

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He was considered the fastest player in the AFL.</sup>

[Avante]

Speaking of Top 10 QB's.

Niners

1.Joe Montana
2.Steve Young
3.Y.A. tle
4.John Brodie
5.Frankie Albert
6.Alex Smith
7.Jeff Garcia
8.Colin Kaepernick
9.Jim Plunkett
10.Jimmy G