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    Durant didn't start getting attention from the media until OKC made the playoffs in 2010. Prior to that the only attention he received was during the draft but nobody cared about him afterwards until the '09-'10 season that's when he put himself on the map with leading the Thunder to the playoffs.

    Like I said before you are deflecting this is not about Kawhi's potential to get big endorsements in a big market simply by playing there. This is about Kawhi and his people bitching about SA holding him back from getting endorsements when I feel he held himself back since other guys like Lebron,Durant have proven location does not hold you back from getting endorsements.

    Anyways name me a guy who has similar personality to Kawhi that has gotten tons of endorsements? I can't think of any. If you want to get endorsements you have to be willing to play the game which is to whore yourself out the media and make yourself visible on social media. Not SA's fault Kawhi was not willing to play that game. It seems like Kawhi wants to have it both ways which is have privacy like Duncan and also want to have Lebron-Durant level of fame. It doesn't work like that.
    A quiet player with a similar personality getting ton of endorsements in the past...I won't mention a player with a flower as last name.

    I doubt Kawhi would care about endorsements if he would have gotten a super-max deal, now he has to look for other ways to get money.
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    A quiet player with a similar personality getting ton of endorsements in the past...I won't mention a player with a flower as last name.

    I doubt Kawhi would care about endorsements if he would have gotten a super-max deal, now he has to look for other ways to get money.
    Do we have any idea if Kawhi has or hasn’t been offered a super-max deal. I think the Spurs will put it on the table, if he can play. I also believe they will discuss who he wants at his side. Kawhi will want to win and might work with Spurs to make sure they’ve got a team to surround him.

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    Do we have any idea if Kawhi has or hasn’t been offered a super-max deal. I think the Spurs will put it on the table, if he can play. I also believe they will discuss who he wants at his side. Kawhi will want to win and might work with Spurs to make sure they’ve got a team to surround him.
    Doubt they do either. To pay the SuperMax as a small market team, that player has be an integrated part of the program. The last year of that deal would be $49M. You don’t pay that to someone who sits out a season.

    Kawhi and his team have their own agenda. They don’t care about the Spurs.
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    ]A quiet player with a similar personality getting ton of endorsements in the past...I won't mention a player with a flower as last name.[/B]

    I doubt Kawhi would care about endorsements if he would have gotten a super-max deal, now he has to look for other ways to get money.
    Which player is that?

    Kawhi's people wanted endorsements and the super max. Don't act like they didn't want both.

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    Which player is that?

    Kawhi's people wanted endorsements and the super max. Don't act like they didn't want both.
    Heís referring to Rose

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    The Spurs were Tim Duncan.
    They didn't have a ring before him and won't have any other without him.
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    Realgm article is saying the Spurs are planning on offering the entire max. Of course, who knows if that's true or more speculation. The more I think about it, the more I think Kawhi taking up 35% of the salary cap will hurt the Spurs chances to compete.

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    The best situation is Kawhi staying a Spur or more importantly signing a contract. Once he does that, SA totally owns the situation and like I’ve been saying: Even if Kawhi wants out, him signing still makes the most sense money-wise.

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    The best situation is Kawhi staying a Spur or more importantly signing a contract. Once he does that, SA totally owns the situation and like I’ve been saying: Even if Kawhi wants out, him signing still makes the most sense money-wise.
    Assuming Kawhi only signs a Super Max (Everything on the internet speculates this) and from what I've read on this forum Spurs have to wait a year to trade him what does that to do his trade value next year? I read an article where the Spurs think this is a chronic issue. That would still be on the back of everyone's mind too right?

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    Assuming Kawhi only signs a Super Max (Everything on the internet speculates this) and from what I've read on this forum Spurs have to wait a year to trade him what does that to do his trade value next year? I read an article where the Spurs think this is a chronic issue. That would still be on the back of everyone's mind too right?
    You do have to wait a year IF he signs the SuperMax. SA can offer him a non-SuperMax contract though and that goes away (but beside the point).

    If it’s a really chronic issue, I don’t see the Spurs offering a huge deal but maybe. If Kawhi signs I’m assuming he plays unless there is a new injury so I don’t think it would be a situation where Kawhi signs and plans to sit out.

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    You do have to wait a year IF he signs the SuperMax. SA can offer him a non-SuperMax contract though and that goes away (but beside the point).

    If it’s a really chronic issue, I don’t see the Spurs offering a huge deal but maybe. If Kawhi signs I’m assuming he plays unless there is a new injury so I don’t think it would be a situation where Kawhi signs and plans to sit out.
    I would not make that assumption. If SA knuckles under to Uncle Fester, they may sit out to try to force a trade to LA. They haven't exactly been making rational decisions.

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    I would not make that assumption. If SA knuckles under to Uncle Fester, they may sit out to try to force a trade to LA. They haven't exactly been making rational decisions.
    That would be unprecedented in the NBA and would be a terrible pr move by Kawhi and his posse. On top of that I do not believe Kawhi would sit out after just losing 1 year of his prime already. You can tell he wants to be an NBA legend. I believe both parties will try to settle it out this off season. If not Kawhi will play his best on his 1 year and then probably sign with the Lakers (Worst case scenario).

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    That would be unprecedented in the NBA and would be a terrible pr move by Kawhi and his posse. On top of that I do not believe Kawhi would sit out after just losing 1 year of his prime already. You can tell he wants to be an NBA legend. I believe both parties will try to settle it out this off season. If not Kawhi will play his best on his 1 year and then probably sign with the Lakers (Worst case scenario).
    You think what they've done so far isn't both of those things?

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    I would not make that assumption. If SA knuckles under to Uncle Fester, they may sit out to try to force a trade to LA. They haven't exactly been making rational decisions.
    That does not make any sense. If Kawhi signs an extension he has zero say on where he goes. They can send him wherever they want. Once Kawhi signs, he loses the leverage to truly control where he plays. Teams would gamble knowing Kawhi has no choice and if he wants to sit out then SA can do what they need to do to file a grieveance or ruin his career by calling his bluff for 5 years

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    You think what they've done so far isn't both of those things?
    It's possible but again I don't see Kawhi letting another year of his prime go to waste and another media circus. I see him willing to play the year out and just signing next year vs sitting out in protest.

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    Look, SA won’t get taken here. If they sign Kawhi there will be systems in place.

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    Realgm article is saying the Spurs are planning on offering the entire max. Of course, who knows if that's true or more speculation. The more I think about it, the more I think Kawhi taking up 35% of the salary cap will hurt the Spurs chances to compete.
    I hope that they offer him the 30% max instead; dare him to turn down ~$193 million which would help to mitigate the financial risks.
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    An underrated part of him signing the supermax, is that he can't be traded for a full year. If the relationship is still frayed then the Spurs could still move him and he would already be locked in for five seasons, increasing the number of teams who would potentially try to acquire him.

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    Kawhi and his team have their own agenda. They donít care about the Spurs.
    I wonder who pro player really cares about a franchise.

    I doubt LBJ cares about Cavs, he left them before and will do it again...KD, Irving, Hayward, LMA...All players have their own agendas.

    Kawhi's camp agenda in this next offseason is a supermax deal. I wouldn't blame them for trying to get the best contract...

    A player needs to stay 10, 15 years in a city, feels the team like a family, to care about the franchise. That's why Tim Duncan was unique, unrepeatable.
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    I wonder who pro player really cares about a franchise.

    I doubt LBJ cares about Cavs, he left them before and will do it again...KD, Irving, Hayward, LMA...All players have their own agendas.

    Kawhi's camp agenda in this next offseason is a supermax deal. I wouldn't blame them for trying to get the best contract...

    A player needs to stay 10, 15 years in a city, feels the team like a family, to care about the franchise. That's why Tim Duncan was unique, unrepeatable.
    Tim cared a lot quicker than 10-15 years. So did Tony and Manu. Tim opted out to create cap room for Kidd in 2003. Manu signed for $1.4M on his FIRST CONTRACT, after being the Euroleague Final Four MVP and beating the US team at the 2002 Worlds. Tony left $25-30M on the table with his first post-rookie contract. ALL of those were when they were about Kawhi's current age.

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    Uh, they also got the #8 overall pick. That ainít chopped liver. If the keep him, be ready for more of the same shit next season. Better some return than nothing.
    Well if Leonard wants to see to it he is offered essentially the price of a big Mac and Coke on his next contract, by all means he will pull the same shit next season. I dare him to do it.

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    I would not make that assumption. If SA knuckles under to Uncle Fester, they may sit out to try to force a trade to LA. They haven't exactly been making rational decisions.
    tbh

    Quite obvious Uncle Dennis doesn't give a shit about the optics of it all. Gotta admit that by choosing to bang heads with Pop and the most respected organization in the NBA he's proven to be a ballsy faggot in that regard. I honestly think it's pretty much the supermax or "I'm outta here" for him.
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    Tim cared a lot quicker than 10-15 years. So did Tony and Manu. Tim opted out to create cap room for Kidd in 2003. Manu signed for $1.4M on his FIRST CONTRACT, after being the Euroleague Final Four MVP and beating the US team at the 2002 Worlds. Tony left $25-30M on the table with his first post-rookie contract. ALL of those were when they were about Kawhi's current age.
    Manu and Parker were part of the Big3, not the franchise player. That was Tim.

    Next time, try to mention some player in today NBA, not guys who hit their peacks in mid 2.000's.

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