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Tatum and a pick is probably best case scenario. Sadly I don't think Celtics will part with him after that run. More likely they offer rozier and brown.
Unless the Celtics get a third team involved, Rozier would have to be in it for financial purposes, so probably replace the 27th pick with him. They could then probably reroute him to the Suns for the 16th pick. Morris can probably be rerouted for a fringe 1st or young player with commensurate value.
Not a chance he should be traded to L.A., specifically the Lakers, for 3 reasons: 1) Unappealing package(s), 2) Would be acquiescing to his wish, 3) In conference and would be facilitating inevitable genesis of super team if traded to the Lakers. 2 and 3 should only be overlooked for a package that's markedly superior to any others.
Don't buy into this notion of him controlling the process. The Celtics and 76ers would still have excellent cores if he left in a year and he'd have to walk away from an additional $40M (on top of the $39M he'd already lose by being traded). They're not going to be scared off because they're not his first choice.
Aldridge for Porter is one I'd pondered if it came to this. Makes sense for both teams, but can't see the Wizards including 15. Could see 18 and 49 for 15 and 44, though.
This could potentially be a Celtics style accelerated re-build: Brown, Porter, Murray, White, 15th, 16th (could try to package them and move up), Kings 1st in '19.
Tatum and a pick is probably best case scenario. Sadly I don't think Celtics will part with him after that run. More likely they offer rozier and brown.
Honestly if there's one player I'd take from the Kings that's Bogdanovic
He's the perfect Manu replacement
Add in Rozier or flip him and Morris for more picks.
Also, use space to sign Favors or use it to take on an unwanted short contract for assets. I.E Faried + picks, or Leonard ( Portland) + 2 1st rounders.
Favors isn't a bad idea, but I'd rather option B. Don't want to be too high floor/low ceiling. Still need to gather depth of picks/prospects in hopes of unearthing a superstar or star(s).
I'd rather have Mo Bamba then JJJ, but yea that's as good of a deal as any to rebuild.
im Guessing if The Kawhi drama is not settled before the draft, we will lose some bargaining power in trades?
Spurs need 2-3 all stars or a superstar in the future in order to contend. Now that Kawhi is on his way out, the timetables of LMA and dejounte don't match up. Best option is to get a couple guys on the same timetable as dejounte who can potentially develop into good players at least, and ideally top 20 nba players. If the spurs can get JJJ, Doncic, and like a Zhaire/Huerter type in this year's draft, that can kick-start the rebuild process. Patty's contract also looks a lot less painful on a rebuilding team as a big part of his value is the leadership and "culture" that he provides. Pau's contract also looks more palatable in this situation as be basically becomes a regular season minutes eater.
In 2018-2019, run a lineup of dejounte/white/doncic/anderson/pau with mills/parsons/Bertans/JJJ. Send Zhaire to D-league. That's probably a 30 win team realistically. 2 years from now, I have to think from everything I've seen on NBA draft twitter that at least one of JJJ/Doncic/Zhaire will show something, if not 2-3 of them.
If everything pans out, you just continue building through the draft. If your draft picks don't show signs of becoming future top 15 players, though, and merely become good players, you still have a collection of young cheap assets. Then in 2-3 years, you'd have a very young team with lots of cap space in a small city with a tradition and a distinctly international culture. That's probably the best shot SA will have at a guy like Giannis when the Bucks inevitably things up.
Everything hinges on Sacramento. I don't think they make the deal for the #2. I really think Memphis does pull the trigger on #4 and Parsons for Aldridge, since he perfectly fits into the timetable of Gasol and Conley, management is desperate to return to the playoffs, both bigs can pass really well, and it fits their grit-and-grind style.
Can we get Marc Gasol??
I would also add Mo Bamba to the list. I would love to have him.
Let's rebuild with Doncic!!!!
This boy is for real! WONDERBOY!
Spurs would be wise to build around this cager!
There are 3 paths.
Path 1: This is all contract bull and they will reach a deal with Kawhi's camp - this seems unlikely now... For this post, the idea is a non-starter.
Path 2: Blow it all up, trade Kawhi for the most future assets possible, trade anyone else for future assets, and generally pull what Boston and Philly pulled - stockpile assets and a ground up rebuild. I don think the Spurs do this. Financial pressure on the ownership and a lack of time for the current PATFO (Pop will be retiring in the forseeable future) suggest against it. Not to mention it might not be practical. The team would need to tank Hard to get into top 5 pick territory - they won 47 without Kawhi last year, despite the distraction of the situation.
Path 3: Reload not rebuild. I think this is where they go. An avenue that I see is working with Charlotte as part of a 3 way. Something like this, http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7gx75qm (with SAS getting the #2 from SAC), or this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd5jsanh (with SAS getting #10 and rights to Bolden/Pasceniks/#26 from Philly) or this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yay77bc3 with SAS getting #25 and a 2020 1st from LAL).
Follow that up by throwing the full MLE at Tyreke Evans. Move Mills for assets if possible. Resign Anderson if cheap (< MLE), depending on who we draft, try to resign Gay, Green (if they are cheap...we will have bird rights to Green and non-bird for Gay). Look for a cheap minute eater or two as big men.
LMA - Anderson/?Gay? - Batum - ?Green? - Kemba
Tyreke as 6th Man + White + Dejounte
#18 + 1 of (#2/#10?#25)
Looks like it could be pretty solid to me. The play models off of the spurs teams of old - LMA for Duncan , Kemba for Tony, Tyreke for Manu. Kemba can bolt next year, but it's another year for Dejounte to develop an offensive game...
Of the 3 trades I prefer the Sac trade, because Doncic could be a huge star in the long term, then Philly, and finally FTL...
The obvious common point is getting Kemba (and Batum) from CHA - because our biggest problem last year was running our O. Batum is overpaid, but he is still a decent player, and might look a lot better in the Spurs system than he does in Cha (see what happened with Diaw for example).
Looking at those trades. I don't think there is anyway charlotte wants any of that. MJ has said he would trade Kemba but wants all-star talent in return. That is all garbage going to charlotte.
1. Why would the Kings trade their 2 best prospects (Fox and 2nd pick) for at most 1 season of Leonard? Not even they could be that stupid.
2. Don't know if Spurs could get all or any of the addons beyond the 10th pick, but either way this isn't bad value in a vacuum. Problem is, it lacks a foundational young player, which means a permanent place on the treadmill of mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
3. This conceivably could accomplish what 2 couldn't, but Frye's a UFA on July 1st and therefore can't be included, they'd be giving Leonard what he supposedly wants, keeping him in conference, helping the hated Lakers and facilitating the inevitable genesis of the latest "super team".
Really? Kemba is an expiring, who they are going to have to pay (possibly overpay) to stay in Charlotte. In each case, he gets high end PG prospect (Fox/Fulz/Ball) and expirings (remember that Pau's 3ed year is only guaranteed 6M), while getting out from under the Batum contract. Looks like pretty good value to me...
1. Obviously, because the Kings discussed the matter with Leonard's camp and he agreed to re-sign there...
2. Where exactly do you see us getting a "foundational young player" through anybodies proposals (except) the Kings' trade that you poo-poo'ed above?
3. Frye is salary cap filler. There are other ways to structure the trade (for example, have LAL draft whomever SAS chooses - as a drafted player, not a pick, he carries the salary cap associated with his draft position...)
1. Not happening. He more than likely wouldn't do that anywhere but the Lakers.
2. Brown and Ingram are probably foundational players and Fultz potentially is. Foundational players = someone who can be a top 3 player on a good team. Walker obviously is, but he's 28. This franchise needs it in a younger player.
3. I know. What I'm saying it, Frye's ineligible to be included. For example, the Spurs can't trade Parker right now.
2. Top 3 on a good team is "foundational"? Goofy definition, but if your scouting is good, you can get one of those in any draft pick - for example, Kawhi, Tony, George Hill, Jimmy Butler... I would not actually bet on either Ingram (particularly him - he's played 2 yrs, and has never posted a PER > 15, a WS/48 > 0.1, a BPM that's positive, or a VORP > 0.5. Good players show things once they get in the show) or Brown living up to the standard of a Tony Parker...
Murray, White, Anderson, Bertans, Dedmon (yes, I would bring him back), 18th pick and whatever we get from trading Kawhi and LA. It shouldn't be so awful of a rebuilding process, I'm interested on seeing all those guys develop.
You can, but it's about odds and they obviously get worse the deeper you go into a draft.
Parker was a top 3 player on a championship team(s). I'm not an Ingram fan either, but to put my definition into context: for all their playoff failure, the Raptors have the 4th best regular season winning percentage in the past half decade, with a core of Lowry, DeRozan, Valanciunas.
Doncic with Manu as mentor for one year could be incredible!!!
This is the quote from Jordan regarding Kemba:
“It’s not like we are shopping him. We would not just give him up. I love Kemba Walker. I would not trade him for anything but an All-Star player.”
This draft seems to have more depth than top level talent. I wouldn't mind making as many moves as possible to get mid first round picks.
Hutchinson, Lonnie Walker, Musa, Zaire Smith, Huerter. A lot of interesting players.
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