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    On second thought, I could see the Spurs aggressively pursuing Williams and other proven players in his age range.

    He's not only a good potential fit with Sochan, but probably their best chance at getting a starting forward opposite him for next season period.

    There was apparently a large gap between the $20+M annually his agent(s) were seeking and what the Bulls were offering.

    He's been a perceived disappointment, with a role in constant state of flux throughout because he's more like Marvin Williams or Harrison Barnes than a potential star in the making.

    Given the Bulls obsession with being a treadmill team, they might actually prefer Johnson to a pick.
    Sochan and Williams are similar. I find Sochan a better athlete while Williams a better shooter. They both showed the ability to stick and defend their assignments but failed to be defensive playmakers, ie deflections, steals, blocks. Having two of them just seems pointless.

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    Williams shoots better, but his creation and rebounding are at sub Sochan levels, and he’s had foot surgery that put him out for the year.
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    No gracias to Patrick Williams. I don't see the fit. And he's underperforming and has injury concerns. And he wants to get paid. But other than that...

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    Caleb Martin might be an interesting option. I guess he would like to stay with Miami and they would like to keep him but it might end up being too costly given their luxury tax situation.

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    i see Monk as occupying the Branham role more than the Vassell role, in that he's either a 6th man combo guard who can also spot start at either guard position if the need arises

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    Caleb Martin might be an interesting option. I guess he would like to stay with Miami and they would like to keep him but it might end up being too costly given their luxury tax situation.
    He's a Bruce Bowen lite who plays decent defense which the spurs could really use. Miami likes hi a lot, but they do have a number of high priced players who also need to get paid. So who knows, but he is an interesting player who could fit in as a spurs reserve or a part time starter. Easily more talented than most of our reserves.

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    I'm still positive on Patrick Williams. He can guard his position, he is a dependably good 3 point shooter when open, still very young and has experience with Vassell.

    Plus maybe the bulls pick could be useful in a flip for him in a sign and trade.

    Plus, because of his youth and missed games he might still have some upside though I wouldn't bank in it. But no one thought Colby White could be better than an mle combo gunner and look at him now.

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    Sochan and Williams are similar. I find Sochan a better athlete while Williams a better shooter. They both showed the ability to stick and defend their assignments but failed to be defensive playmakers, ie deflections, steals, blocks. Having two of them just seems pointless.
    Williams is a 3 and D forward with enough strength to credibly defend most of the players Sochan struggles with.

    It's true that neither is a defensive playmaker, but you can't have everything.

    Also, Sochan isn't good enough that this should be the primary concern. If he ultimately has to become a backup or traded, so be it.

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    Williams is a 3 and D forward with enough strength to credibly defend most of the players Sochan struggles with.

    It's true that neither is a defensive playmaker, but you can't have everything.

    Also, Sochan isn't good enough that this should be the primary concern. If he ultimately has to become a backup or traded, so be it.
    I think Sochan is a better player already but Williams has a more consistent fit being a 3&D PF. Sochan is a better athlete. Will get above the rim to finish and pull down some boards. Sochan is a more consistent passer. Williams is a better shooter, clearly, and has better strength to defend bigger wings. He is only shooting 4.5 threes per 36. Jabari Smith is putting up 5.6, and Trey Lyles 6.7, Scohan 3.5, Keldon 6.5. So although is really accurate, he isn't exactly letting if fly from deep.

    Would I replace Williams with Johnson? Yeah, I would. I think that 3&D prototype is handy and I think Keldon's ceiling has been reached. Would I replace Sochan with Williams? Not this early, no way. Do I think Sochan and Williams would work together? I don't know. With a Trae Young on the team, I could foresee why Williams and Sochan on the wing would work. But if it's a rookie pg or a Jones again, then I don't think so.

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    I think Williams and Sochan would work though the rebounding would be suspect.

    It would also be interesting to see if without Keldon would Sochan be moved to 6th man. Put the ball back in his hands against 2nd units and maybe it wouldn't be the disaster he was at starting point guard

    If you are able to keep 1 pick from this year maybe that could be the future small forward

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    Speaking of Patrick Williams:


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    I think Williams and Sochan would work though the rebounding would be suspect.

    It would also be interesting to see if without Keldon would Sochan be moved to 6th man. Put the ball back in his hands against 2nd units and maybe it wouldn't be the disaster he was at starting point guard

    If you are able to keep 1 pick from this year maybe that could be the future small forward
    If we get Williams, I kind of think he and Sochan both start and JC is sent to the bench. Sochan can defend 3's and 4's so he skides up and Williams takes the 4

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    If we get Williams, I kind of think he and Sochan both start and JC is sent to the bench. Sochan can defend 3's and 4's so he skides up and Williams takes the 4
    Took me a minute to figure out who JC was. I suppose that to me he's not an NBA rotation caliber player and I don't want to see him play any minutes in the future other than in blowouts

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    Took me a minute to figure out who JC was. I suppose that to me he's not an NBA rotation caliber player and I don't want to see him play any minutes in the future other than in blowouts
    I think he's ok starting out on the 2nd unit next year, but hopefully we draft a guy who can take his spot sooner rather than later next year. He's probably 2nd unit on a bottom third team and deep bench on a playoff team I'd think.

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    Grayson Allen should be a main target. An elite 3pt shooter that is being asked to defend the other's team best player and holding his own. He would be a clear upgrade over Champaigne in the starting lineup.

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    Anyone who can play some defense. Caleb Martin and Grayson Allen come to mind. They're both around 28 not quite on the young side any more, but could easily be a defensive leader on this team.

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    Pop’s last successful significant free agent recruitment was convincing Tim to not bolt for Orlando.

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    How did that imbecile manage to waste $17 million career earnings already, ffs.
    Yes, Bryn Forbes made $17 million playing basketball, believe it or not.

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    Pop’s last successful significant free agent recruitment was convincing Tim to not bolt for Orlando.
    You don't count LaMarcus Aldridge? That team did win 67 games.

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    Grayson Allen should be a main target. An elite 3pt shooter that is being asked to defend the other's team best player and holding his own. He would be a clear upgrade over Champaigne in the starting lineup.
    I hate him, but I wouldn’t argue with this take.

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    How did that imbecile manage to waste $17 million career earnings already, ffs.
    Yes, Bryn Forbes made $17 million playing basketball, believe it or not.
    Out of 17 million he probably only pocketed about 6-7. Maybe less.

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    Out of 17 million he probably only pocketed about 6-7. Maybe less.
    Well, we all pay taxes...do we?
    Even if he pocketed just 5, it's plenty not to go broke within a year of being out of the league.
    Unless you're a moron, that is.

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    I presume dating a porn star comes with a certainly level of maintenance expenses.

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